Proving Grounds VI: The Alder Throne

[Doolipalally]

The only bummer is missing out of the MR and SP bonus from the Throne. Characters playing "evil" were rewarded; whereas characters playing "good" were not. There should be a compensation. But I wonder if the text for "evil" was different in this wrap up scenario!

There was nothing at that point in the PG that suggested to me that sitting on the throne would be 'evil'. A little rash, maybe, but we were hinted to do it with one of those 'you have a strong urge to...' lines that we've seen elsewhere in this game. So Jazz sat on it.

I appreciate that you and others are feeling a bit irked at having missed out on that bonus. Hey, Jazz missed out on it too, since she failed the roll and fell off the throne at that point - so even if you'd made a different choice you wouldn't necessarily have picked up the reward. I just think describing it as a 'reward for evil' is over-dramatising it a bit!

[paladin]

There was nothing at that point in the PG that suggested to me that sitting on the throne would be 'evil'. A little rash, maybe, but we were hinted to do it with one of those 'you have a strong urge to...' lines that we've seen elsewhere in this game. So Jazz sat on it.

I appreciate that you and others are feeling a bit irked at having missed out on that bonus. Hey, Jazz missed out on it too, since she failed the roll and fell off the throne at that point - so even if you'd made a different choice you wouldn't necessarily have picked up the reward. I just think describing it as a 'reward for evil' is over-dramatising it a bit!

True, but I got the impression that those who've sat on the throne before us eventually fell to evil, and we were, as others have pointed out, warned at least indirectly against sitting on the throne. It actually makes me think of the One Ring from Lord of the Rings. However well-intentioned you might have been when you took the ring, it would eventually possess you rather than the other way around. And if you were evil to begin with it would shorten the process. And at least I got four to my MR from the Griffon Pendant so it wasn't a total loss.

[Doolipalally]

True, but I got the impression that those who've sat on the throne before us eventually fell to evil, and we were, as others have pointed out, warned at least indirectly against sitting on the throne. It actually makes me think of the One Ring from Lord of the Rings. However well-intentioned you might have been when you took the ring, it would eventually possess you rather than the other way around. And if you were evil to begin with it would shorten the process. And at least I got four to my MR from the Griffon Pendant so it wasn't a total loss.

I know what you mean, but then again we did sit on one of the thrones back on Saarngard, before the PG began, and that gave us a nice reward without turning us to the dark side...

[shadowblack]

And at the time there was no indication that sitting on a throne will make us evil...

[smv1973]

If everyone got the pendant, then the GM has a promise to keep! Racey told us that the GM stated that all would get equal rewards when all is wrapped up. Now that hasn't happened.

This PG is the best of the 6; and the plot is great. There are some great mechanics; but the beauty of the PG is in the writing. Combat-wise, PG 5 was more challenging whereas in this one all enemies were 3+ for me. The only bummer is missing out of the MR and SP bonus from the Throne. Characters playing "evil" were rewarded; whereas characters playing "good" were not. There should be a compensation. But I wonder if the text for "evil" was different in this wrap up scenario!

I can answer your question on the text for "evil" from the last scenario. The text was almost the same for "evil" and "good". The only differance I could see was page order, but as far as the text it's self they were the same.

[Elrond]

There was nothing at that point in the PG that suggested to me that sitting on the throne would be 'evil'. A little rash, maybe, but we were hinted to do it with one of those 'you have a strong urge to...' lines that we've seen elsewhere in this game. So Jazz sat on it.

I appreciate that you and others are feeling a bit irked at having missed out on that bonus. Hey, Jazz missed out on it too, since she failed the roll and fell off the throne at that point - so even if you'd made a different choice you wouldn't necessarily have picked up the reward. I just think describing it as a 'reward for evil' is over-dramatising it a bit!

The PG text during that scenario gave an explicit warning to players from the seer (Kari) not to sit on the throne. And with PG being a 1-time thing, I made a choice of fate not to sit on the throne. As to the link between the thrones and evil, my perception is that the link is well-established. The thrones served an evil entity; and thus we were out on a mission to destroy them. Kardsen was ruled by an evil man sitting on an Alder Throne (Weyth).

Then again, over-dramatizing the link is not where the point is. It is with a fate choice I made and am ready to live with. But the GM told Racey that all would be on equal footing at the end of the PG. I'm just holding the GM responsible for his promise. And if he cannot keep it for any reason, I would not hold it against him. I just wanted to know (the GM replied to my question and the reply is in the appropriate thread).

As to being irked at missing out on rewards, I've missed a fair share of AT and xp rewards during game play; and I am fine with the choices I made at the time. (e.g. I missed 4 AT's at the beginning of fate choices by sitting in the middle chair in front of the fire place; and I've yet to get anything from Tarn's Troll; and I missed a 512x to AS&P during PG 5, etc....). But I haven't lobbied the GM to give me any of those rewards (although I might drop a line to urge the GM to move the Tarn Troll up his update ladder).

All in all, I've enjoyed this PG immensely; and discussing this minor bonus does not intend in any way to take away from the tremendous work by the GM in this PG.

And finally, I'm sorry for ranting about this and for bothering those who felt bothered by my posts.

[billydakid]

Yup there was a warning not to sit on it. Thats the way me and others took it. I remember some line to the efect of your friends may try to get to the throne before you and may change their ways by sitting on it or something like that. Then there was the person who sat on it and died before you. So I'd say it was more or less saying not to sit on it even though there was a hint to sit on it . so basically it was giving us 2 messages don't sit on it and sit on it. Anyhow I'm glad it will be taken care of as is the right thing to do since we were given 2 different messages on what to do on the throne.

[Arik]

I sat on the throne, and I wasn't trying to roleplay being evil. (The only one of my alts that I roleplay as being evil isn't even close to being able to attempt PG VI.)

[hephaestus16]

I think the mysterious dude in the final scenario might be related to the pumpkin monster from haunting in duastig as it shares the following traits

1. It was no name
2. It is implied to have many forms
3. It has a history with the hero that the hero cannot recall
4. It is out for revenge about some none specified action
5. It screws over other people whilst doing so.

If that is the case we a dealing with a plot arch that puts all the others to shame in its sheer hugeness, for all we know it could be no less then the demon itself.

[thingirl]

No, probably not. Maz maybe? That's what Dad thinks.

[spencer]

Even though he died (I think?) what about Maz's brother?

[thingirl]

(Better hurry while I still have power :()

That's what I said, but then Dad reminded me that we'd never had any persional dealings with the Grand Sentery (I'm assuming that's who Maz's brother is), and the mist said that it knew us.

[zmflavius]

(Better hurry while I still have power :()

That's what I said, but then Dad reminded me that we'd never had any persional dealings with the Grand Sentery (I'm assuming that's who Maz's
brother is), and the mist said that it knew us.

Actually, we did have dealings with the Grand Sentry...sort of. We did meet Wyeth Tynmok, right?

[thingirl]

(haha, I got someone to spell out his name for me)

Sorry, I meant we'd never had any personal dealings with the Wyeth before stepping into the Chasm of Time.

[Oldschool]

I'm getting ready to run Alder Throne with one of the secondaries. Probably my evil one - Voltan.

I've avoided most of this thread for spoiler reasons and the wiki for the same. With the exception of the bit about the throne.

Also that is the same place Hawk got lost in a glitch during a non PG adventure. I was at the choice to sit on the throne or not and didn't wanna chance anything so I ended up not doing anything. The GM resolved it so until Elrond posted in the Correspondence thread I was still pretty much unaware of the rewards.

Anyway in the Correspondence thread it mentions the rewards for sitting as +2 to MR & SP but in the wiki and earlier in the thread it mentions +1 each.

Also there's reference to tablets in the same part with two separate rewards of +1 MR/SP each. Also there's mention of that being "evil".

I know the GM indicated that no character will miss out on any bonuses but I was just wanting to clarify the above.

What are the rewards? Also are the tablets "evilness" open to interpretation as sitting on the throne seems to be?

And along the lines of general commentary I wonder if the chance to reap all the bonuses that the GM mentions means everyone - including those that attempted the rewarding actions but failed the rolls.

Or will characters that didn't choose that option will be given the same - a CHANCE to get the bonuses with the same parameters.

If it's not the same across the board both ways that would seem unfair to me. Whether it's ultimately given to everyone or everybody gets the SAME chance(s) isn't important. So long as those folks that didn't try don't automatically get the bonus whereas those that did and failed the roll(s) are stuck with their bad luck.

With that said I'll still rp all my characters choices and see what happens. Partly the reason I'll probably run evil Voltan first - plus he's the "youngest", after all..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34wJt3pRY0w :)

[thingirl]

IDR. I think it's +1/+1 from the tablets, and another +1/+1 from the throne fora total of +2/+2. I could be mistaken though...

And as far as I know, there's no consequences from taking the tablets or sitting on the throne.

[shadowblack]

So far the whole "taking the tablets/sitting on the throne is evil" thing seems to be based solely on people's guesses. We probably won't know for sure until the Tome of Attaiment is out.

P.S.: IDR = ??? I don't remember?

[smv1973]

P.S.: IDR = ??? I don't remember?

I think your right.

[scout1idf]

IDR.

Learning to spell correctly would be easier if you would type real words...;)

[spencer]

I have done the first two adventures in this PG with my secondary. I may be willing to fill in some options that are unknown at this time if someone will communicate in advance where those holes are.

[racey]

iirc TG is right. It was a +1/+1 for grabbing a tablet then another +1/+1 for sitting on the throne (a total of +2/+2) that has been disputed on the forum as an evil act. I for one would love for someone to copy any game text warning about sitting on the throne in that particular scenario and post it in this thread. I only remember some text about an overwhelming urge to sit on the throne and then text about feeling as if nothing good would come of it if you did sit on it. I honestly don't recall any text that indicated it would be an evil act to sit on any of the thrones we destroyed.

[thingirl]

Yes, IDR = I don't remember. I though that most of you would know that.

@ Scout: Actually, if I type stuff out the whole way, I learn it wrong, and I don't learn to fix it and spell wright. ;) (Yes, wright instead of right was on purpose. :))

@ Spencer: IF you check the Wiki page (http://sryth.wikia.com/wiki/PG_VI), you can see everything we don't currently know. :)

[spencer]

There was one example in the second part that I saw yesterday. There is a point in the adventure where...you can let Owl take the watch or choose to take it yourself...the person that did the wiki, took the watch and you get a fight with some combat xp and, I think, try to chase down someone who tried to poison you. It said something like, if you let Owl take the watch ? I can add that he just wakes you and informs you that he just saved the two of you from being poisoned and you get no combat xp.

I have never updated the wiki. Can someone point me to or PM the password to me and I will at least update that section.

[thingirl]

As far as I know, there is no password to edit the wiki (unregistered members can edit). Although, you would be advised to register first.

And if you have anything that you don't feel confident adding, you can PM it to me and I'll try to add it.

[Oldschool]

I'll copy paste the throne text when I get there.

I'm guessing that like me Spencer doesn't want to look at the wiki until after he's ran that character. Or most/all of his characters plural.

That's where I'm at myself. I'd like to help by running other unidentified branches but the spoiler potential since I've got other characters left plays into it.

Plus I like to really RP my play whether I know specifics about the choices or not.

[Oldschool]

Just realized that the PG VI - Alder Throne thread started on the old forum and transfered here around the time The Ghost Patrol went live.

Here's the old forum link for anyone interested/needing it.

http://shadowwolf47.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=talk&action=display&thread=4093

Just remember you have to be registered on the old forum to view posts.

And I'm loving this adventure - superb writing by the GM.

But I can't help but chuckle at this re: Owl which appears throughout our relationship with him. At least thus far...

much to your surprise, that the master thief is now nowhere to be found. Surprise? ;)


(http://shadowwolf47.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=talk&action=display&thread=4093)

[Oldschool]

Here's some throne text I'll add the rest in as I "get there".

Your memory stirred by your recollection of your conversation with Owl, you ask Kailaryth about the thrones.

"They are the vessels by which the traversal of time is possible," she says bluntly. "Our enemy's agents make use of them. They contain immense power and must not be used, save by those for whom they were crafted. Anyone found seated upon such a chair is, without question, in league with our nameless foe. There are numerous such thrones to be found on this world...evidence of other times and places in which our enemy attempted an incursion."

The seer unfolds her hands and looks toward the door, where the chain-clad man still stands guard. He nods and she returns the gesture.

"We still have time," she says, as if the opposite notion had momentarily worried her, "but the enemy is coming for us again...coming for you, Voltan. Give me the journals."


A little premature perhaps considering I've not got the rest but I take that to mean someone seated upon it as a ruler not just sitting on it.

[zmflavius]

Here's some throne text I'll add the rest in as I "get there".



A little premature perhaps considering I've not got the rest but I take that to mean someone seated upon it as a ruler not just sitting on it.


A bit of a nitpick:

We who sat on the throne were never "found" doing it.

And anyways, I'm pretty sure that a lot of people here sat on the throne in Saarngard.

[Oldschool]

HoF/Time travel decisions.

Seems the HoF decisions in regards to the time travel does produce different results.

I know that Unleri's has been discussed. If you let her avenge her brother she becomes a hardened foe. Didn't see this posted though. Voltan did nothing in regards to young Owl and he turned into a drunkard. Be interesting to run some other options via the other characters. Incidentally Voltan also fell off the throne.

[Oldschool]

Dang it.....

Voltan just got slain but it appears to be related to a bug - just ingamed the GM.

He was low on SP with a full arsenal minus 1 FoD charge and decided to use a Quickstone heal defensively and was slain. The text where he was slain didn't show the heal or enough damage to kill him had it took place. Didn't think to take a screenshot.

Anyways awaiting the GMs reply - talk about testing patience - before running it further.

And for anyone interested the details Voltan let Unleri kill the guy earlier in the PG. At the beginning of the PG she wants the books back and Voltan wouldn't hand 'em over. And being evil opted to fight her instead of fleeing. There is a subdue option that he didn't take btw. Black at 188 MR and good Shadowmagic didn't lower her. One FoD and some Necro/Gating got her close and I thought no problem till a Telekenitic special hit him for over 100 which is when I opted for the heal.

Dang it and double dang it.....

[texlaw1992]

I've noticed it's only guaranteed to work if you hit "Defensive." I've been killed once or twice (our recent ogre friend comes to mind) by combining an attempted heal with "Aggressive" or "Normal."

[Oldschool]

Is that a known issue then? I did select defensively but not for the reason you mentioned but because the combat was 18+ as I was planning on power use.

Also I'm wondering if I'm overlooking something.

Although I know I selected it via the drop down and I'm almost positive I recall that it was on the item bar when I attacked I can't say for 100 percent sure it was in fact on the item bar. I advised the GM of that as well.

[spencer]

I don't ever recall a QS "failing" regardless of what type of fighting that I was doing. That is not to say it hasn't happened, but I just don't recall wondering what happened.

[texlaw1992]

I should clarify that when I say select "Defensive," I mean select it without selecting a power at the same time. If you pick a power along with "Defensive" or something else, I've noticed the QS tends not to work.

[Oldschool]

Ok, thanks for clearing that up. Actually I only selected the heal because I've run into "things" when trying multiple selections during combat - plus I'm not sure which is recognized. Again I only went defensive to save SP as I planned on power usage for the rest of the combat. Or if needed something out his miscellaneous arsenal.

[Oldschool]

OUCH!!!!

Just finished Virago's run who suffered one defeat.

At 96 percent (1 loss) her AT reward was 48. And actually I could've avoided that defeat had I not went all out rp wise or been stingy with the limited use specials. Had I known the AT rewards were that much lower I may not have done so. I figured one defeat was about 95 percent which would've been significantly less AT loss. Oh well - live and learn.

Anyway I went a different decision branch and got the following which I haven't seen here or in the wiki. But I've tried to discretely look over both so pardon me if this is known. And I'll probably chance a full look now that 2 characters are through and a 3rd only has 2 scenes left.

Anyhoo.... And even if you've finished this PG if you have or plan to have other characters that haven't tread carefully.With Virago I decided to alert the guards to Owl thinking that may "correct" his behavior and be better in the long term. Call it a maternal instinct - I dunno. He glares at you and the last you see of him he's fleeing the guards. It wasn't a good move for correcting his behavior as he turns out to be a legendary assassin. He doesn't recognize you (initially at least) and wants 15k for his services. I opted not to pay such a sort and fought him. Failed a check before combat and got hit for 140 damage. Ended up winning the battle (he flees when significantly down). Got to the captain and in true rp fashion I went for a subdue which led to a defeat since attack powers were out plus I'd burned my heals WoD/FoD on Owl. Could've used one of the limited special weapons (if they work during subduals like the FoD/WoD) but thought for a few ATs I'll take my chances. Not a good idea in retrospect - oh well at least it was an alt.

Paid the 15k on the rerun since I then knew the legendary assassin would flee. Who wants to be on his collection list - but I imagine like Unreli (sp?) he'll recognize her at some point.

And while I'm still waiting for the GM to reply regarding the issue with Voltan I'm now guessing the gender changing thane's bit will be different for Voltan since he did nothing during the goblin attack. And I I think Pyrond's role could be affected if one doesn't stop the goblin bomb which kills his predecessor which causes Pyrond to jump to the forefront. That leads to the goblin leader approaching Pyrond since the former Thane is dead from the bomb. Then you can either intervene or do nothing. I'm guessing doing nothing will affect his role as I ran the other branch - too bad I'm past that with evil Voltan. And I wonder if there is anyway to keep Unreli around without her being a vengeful killer type?

Still have Esoteric to run so I may run that branch with Pyrond. The bad part about knowing this stuff up front is it can give you "situational rp ethics" for lack of a better word. Thinking of not stopping the bomb so that we don't chance knocking Pyrond out of Thaneship. Then not interfering with the approaching goblin so as to not steal any of Captain Pyrond's thunder which could affect his thaneship. Which knowing what I know probably results in something unexpected for Esoteric (i.e. Pyrrond's demise). Gotta mull that over a bit before I decide.

Thankfully Hawk's done as I ran him true to rp fashion. Got the max rewards btw.

[Andras]

I just completed PG 6, now that I have the Glittering Ice Shield maxed. Unleri attacked me and I retreated. Now, considering she didn't attack everyone else, I am curious to what the plot difference was. For me, she claimed she was always my enemy and I escaped a few times. If she didn't attack everyone, her position must have changed a bit.

What did everyone else get?

[Oldschool]

Andras I got a mishmash spread out over my four characters as I took different plot branches with all four at various points. Unfortunately I didn't copy/paste them into the thread nor a text file as I was staying outta this thread till I ran most of 'em.

You can check my 4 or 5 previous most posts for some limited details. And iirc there are some other specific posts earlier in the thread from other members that took certain paths. And to be honest I'm not sure what the wiki page on Alder Throne contains.

Using the "search this thread" function for Unreli Unleri (or whoever's "branch" you're wondering about) should narrow it down to a manageable amount of posts.

[Andras]

I had some interesting results.


Choices: Only Fate choices
Chasm of Time - Remain as you Are, Attempt to Aid Owl's Escape (Illusion), Attempt to intercept the impending goblin attack, Remain where you are
Chasm of Time 2 - Avenge the Soldier, Archery (to stop Goblin Bombings), Rush forward and attack Humgorn
Chasm of Time 3 - Give her the Amulet
Chasm of Time 4 - Do Nothing, Attempt to Stop Her (Gating), Placed Coin
The Alder Throne - Sit in the Alder Throne (Failed)
The Alder Throne 2 - Take Platinum Ring

Owl: I believe he is alive. Don't remember. Didnt seem to appear in the ending, but survived during the boat adventure. And was a thief still and was still goofy.
Unleri: Alive and Evil. Tried to kill me, I let her live. Ruthless and evil.
Tenelbria: A thane that remembers Andras from saving her before, (I didn't stick around though, so "She just knows it was him"). Consistently sends him messages and is trusted enough to relate the whole adventure. Is in love and a possibly a romance?
Thane Pyrond: He seemed to be much much more free-willed than before, but more or less the same. Still a Thane.

During the Goblin Battle, there doesn't seem to be a way to save the older thane. I tried and he still died. Aside from Unleri turning evil, I was satisfied with the results.

Any other characters that can vary? I remember it well enough to post about what happens to the characters. It seems each event with each character has an individual effect, rather than one large collaborative one.

[Taleria]

Voltan let Unleri kill the guy earlier in the PG. At the beginning of the PG she wants the books back and Voltan wouldn't hand 'em over. And being evil opted to fight her instead of fleeing. There is a subdue option that he didn't take btw. Black at 188 MR and good Shadowmagic didn't lower her.

Yep. Pythia allowed Unleri to do the same. I found she's 14+ at MR two hundred forty something. Can't recall the exact number. But at least there's a range. I'm guessing around 241/242.

Also found that Humgorn and Turmithra were 13+ at MR 217, in case this hasn't been mentioned earlier.

Wiki needs to be edited to say that if you allow Unleri to avenge her brother, she'll try to kill you. I managed to subdue her. You get a platinum star coin if you win.

I'd love to try out the alternate endings, but too much work to build up characters for that.

Was there a way to destroy the journals at the summoning site? I missed doing it, and am now worried this whole thing is gonna start again.

I think that we have destroyed a total of 6, but I could have forgotten one or more. I do not believe that we have destroyed the one in the Tangled Bog.

I don't believe so, either. It was made of ash. We destroyed the alder. The other three were made of oak. But it's hard to know how many were precisely destroyed, because we don't know where the oaken thrones came from. Were they the ones Owl mentions earlier in the PG? If so, we've destroyed the four he mentioned. But I'm sure there were no ash thrones. There was a fifth throne destroyed in Chasm of Time, but I believe it was the same alder throne that didn't quite get destroyed for whatever reason. So I know of five total thrones, and I think we killed four of them. There is speculation of a sixth in Stonemarsh, but this is not proven.

[paladin]

I certainly hope we aren't about to have to go through all that again. As for Marissa she got the good Unleri and good? Owl. It's just a pity that Unleri apparently never actually existed due to our meddling with the timeline.

[Blackcrowe]

I havent read the whole of this thread as there'll be a lot of spoilers in but I
have been away for a looooooong time (as I'm sure Paladin the previous poster can vouch for - hi Paladin!). To give you an idea just how long its been-

During my absence I've had time to scale the Himlayas...twice. I've had time to rewrite War and Peace so its a proper extended version and doesnt skimp like the first one. I've had time to build a life-size replica of the Vatican City from matchsticks. I've had time to father three generations of children. I've had time to fully map the human genome using only a biro and a 1974 Ordanance Survey map. I've had time to circumnavigate the globe in a ship which I built entirely by hand using only a soupspoon and a jar of marmalade. I've had time to plan a manned mission to Mars and go for a recce first just to make sure it'll work.

And I return to find we've just finished the same PG as we were on when I left!!!

Wow! It must be an epic. My exploits above pale into insignificance before the immensity that is the Alder Throne! I'm going to have to take a crack at this at some point.;)

[Taleria]

I certainly hope we aren't about to have to go through all that again. As for Marissa she got the good Unleri and good? Owl. It's just a pity that Unleri apparently never actually existed due to our meddling with the timeline.

Yep. Taleria took all the good paths, so she got the good versions of the characters. Anyone know what happens if you don't help Pyrond?

Also, how do you get Owl to be an alcoholic? Is it if you don't help him escape but also don't reveal him to the guards?

Hi, Blackcrowe. I remember you. And funny sig. :)

[Dariel]

I've had time to circumnavigate the globe in a ship which I built entirely by hand using only a soupspoon and a jar of marmalade.

Ah, you must also be a fellow student of MacGyver?:cool:

[Oldschool]

Yep. Taleria took all the good paths, so she got the good versions of the characters. Anyone know what happens if you don't help Pyrond?

Also, how do you get Owl to be an alcoholic? Is it if you don't help him escape but also don't reveal him to the guards?

Hi, Blackcrowe. I remember you. And funny sig. :)

Definitely recall that sig, lol.

Re: Pyrond and Owl,

Here yet once again Oldschool wishes he'd have kept some notes especially considering he ran all four of his characters differently.


I ran it differently with each character and never got any noticeable difference with Pyrond except for minor text. It seems written so that Pyrond is guaranteed to jump to the leadership role assuring him of Thaneship later.

If I recall correctly regarding Owl you're right. I got the "drunkard Owl" and iirc it was when I both didn't alert the guards about him nor attempt to help him get away from the guards.

[Elrond]

I havent read the whole of this thread as there'll be a lot of spoilers in but I
have been away for a looooooong time (as I'm sure Paladin the previous poster can vouch for - hi Paladin!). To give you an idea just how long its been-

During my absence I've had time to scale the Himlayas...twice. I've had time to rewrite War and Peace so its a proper extended version and doesnt skimp like the first one. I've had time to build a life-size replica of the Vatican City from matchsticks. I've had time to father three generations of children. I've had time to fully map the human genome using only a biro and a 1974 Ordanance Survey map. I've had time to circumnavigate the globe in a ship which I built entirely by hand using only a soupspoon and a jar of marmalade. I've had time to plan a manned mission to Mars and go for a recce first just to make sure it'll work.

And I return to find we've just finished the same PG as we were on when I left!!!

Wow! It must be an epic. My exploits above pale into insignificance before the immensity that is the Alder Throne! I'm going to have to take a crack at this at some point.;)

Vintage BC! Lol ....

[Doolipalally]

Wiki needs to be edited to say that if you allow Unleri to avenge her brother, she'll try to kill you.


Just to say that at the moment the wiki says that if you prevented Unleri from avenging her brother she'll try and kill you. I'd edit it directly, but I'm not sure where this error - assuming it is an error - came from. Rhia prevented Unleri from killing him using a power, and then had Unleri return as a friend.

[Oldschool]

I can confirm that characters that allow her to exact her revenge will result in that character having to face a hardened foe and iirc one of Taleria's characters did the same.

[Taleria]

That's right. Pythia allowed Unleri to exact her revenge, which doesn't actually change events until you meet again on the ship. But as a result, she now has three charred journals. I hope I didn't miss some opportunity to destroy them. I forgot I had them till after the PG was over.

[scout1idf]

I'm sorry to say, this is my first.....

Your final score of 100% places you in The 1st Order of Adventurers (The Order of The Archmaster Adventurer), entitling you to a reward of 64 Adventurer Tokens. Again, well done, SCOUT!

I really wish I had found the forum/wiki before doing PG 1-5. I would have known not to take to many chances that ultimately got Scout killed.

[Young Ned]

Conga-rats, Scout! :D

[Oldschool]

After Scarbrow's question in another thread I was wondering about rewards. Virago suffered one defeat (96%) which caused her a hefty 16 ATs which surprised me.

I did a quick check and found this reward mention by ZM,

32 ATs, but I seriously screwed up Funeral in the Hills and Ghost Patrol

ZM how many defeats and what percentage and how many attempts was that?

I'm guessing two defeats - one in each part you mention? Since Virago's one defeat cost 16 that would seem the logical answer. But at that rate if one suffers four defeats they'd be at 0 ATs which doesn't seem to follow the breakdown for the previous PGs. Although it should be noted that the rewards for them are 24 each but even with 4 defeats one gets more than half (14 ATs).

So I'm wondering if at some point with defeats the breakdown changes?

If anyone has suffered any defeats could you please post the details - number of losses and percentage and attempts (which can be viewed from the PG links in Talinus, Trithik and Hawklor) and the amount of ATs.

Thanks in advance.

[texlaw1992]

Iirc, at one point in PG VI our earlier errors (up to two) were forgiven.

Otherwise, I think the scale was similar to the other PGs, unless 64 ATs was not the max you could get from the others (I have 100% across the board, but vannot remember individual rewards).

[Oldschool]

I seem to recall mention of some earlier defeats being removed via time travel. Actually the other PG rewards were maxed at 24. And according to the wiki each defeat drops the rewards by 2. However you stop losing ATs when you get to a 50% success rate on the PG not 50% of the max ATs.

According to the talk page on the main PG page there are some discrepancies with some of the reward breakdowns/scoring.

With what seems to be the likely breakdown/scoring of PG 6 I'm thinking like the others the losses stop at some point and/or the rate changes since IF it is 16 per defeat 4 defeats would mean 0 ATs.

[Chareos]

I think I found an error in the Wiki for PG VI. In the Alder Throne, Part 3 it states:-

The Alder Throne, Part 3
If you prevented Unleri from avenging her brother in Chasm of Time: Part 3, she WILL attempt to kill you.
You can:

This certainly wasn't true for me. I used Shadow Magic to prevent her and she was still my best buddy and thanked me for all my help.

Edit: Just noticed my 200th post!

[Oldschool]

Nice catch Chareos and Dooli although a bit belated on my acknowledgment.

Seems that needs edited - I don't think there's a branch that allows you to stop her from getting her revenge that makes her a foe.

I'll give time for someone else to post otherwise plus I'm ready to leave for the day. If it's unresolved I'll probably change it since it's a minor edit. I know Scarbrow is staying outta here for spoiler reasons but iirc Shadowblack's ran it. If so what's your opinion on editing SB or any of the other heavy wiki hitters for that matter.





I think I found an error in the Wiki for PG VI. In the Alder Throne, Part 3 it states:-



This certainly wasn't true for me. I used Shadow Magic to prevent her and she was still my best buddy and thanked me for all my help.

Edit: Just noticed my 200th post!

Just to say that at the moment the wiki says that if you prevented Unleri from avenging her brother she'll try and kill you. I'd edit it directly, but I'm not sure where this error - assuming it is an error - came from. Rhia prevented Unleri from killing him using a power, and then had Unleri return as a friend.

I can confirm that characters that allow her to exact her revenge will result in that character having to face a hardened foe and iirc one of Taleria's characters did the same.

That's right. Pythia allowed Unleri to exact her revenge, which doesn't actually change events until you meet again on the ship. But as a result, she now has three charred journals. I hope I didn't miss some opportunity to destroy them. I forgot I had them till after the PG was over.

[shadowblack]

1) Even though I read this topic I have not yet started PG VI - I'm waiting for the ToA
2) I could swear we have had this discussion before, and it was determined that this was most likely an error. Maybe I'm just remembering the posts you quoted

In any case due to all the Fate choices in this PV it might be possible - if you make certain choices - to prevent Unleri's revenge and still get to fight her. Only the Gm knows for sure - we can only guess.

[billydakid]

Shaddow dude do the Pg you could be waiting for the TOA forever. In feb it will becomes a year since it was susposed to come out. This will make my prediction come true of the TOA being delayed at least a year if not more. My suggestion do the pg.

[Young Ned]

I was pretty sure that allowing Unleri to take revenge was what made her an enemy later, even before seeing the posts Oldschool quoted. Seems like we need to change "prevented" to "allowed".

[Ankhmahor]

em.... zomfg! why was that so easy?! I didn't even use up my QS heals. :eek:
True, I never would have done it without the Wiki but still...
Considering MR 201; ST: 185 I thought I'd barely make it. And I did make it using mostly the Hale Blade. Which means MR 185 for me.
The not so silver lightning is that I did not manage to pass those blasted checks for the MR and ST boni. bammit. :(
All in all 64 ATs and a huge load of XP is always nice :D

Unleri: i gave her the amulet and then prevented her from avenging her brother. She was mah ol' friend in the confusing end. Duh. I did not like that particular bit.

end of ranting. proceed please. :D

[Rift120]

Okay RIft is just about ready to get to Ghost Patrol and soon will hit the Chasm of time set.

In preperation I've been going back and forth on this and the Wiki.

And am incredibly confused. WHich options lead to which endings for the players in this Proving ground?

Okay I get Unlerai stays good if you prevent her from killing the guy. but what of the other characters like Owl and such?

edit: It would be really helpful is someone made a tree or something of the results of the choices in the WIki to clarify things

[Oldschool]

'Fraid I ain't gonna be much help Rift as I wasn't into wikifying like I am now when I ran this one.

And this is probably redundant if you've checked the thread, but I mention some plot choices (not very detailed as I was avoiding this and the wiki till I ran it for the most part).

Start with this post if you haven't already looked through the tail end of this adventure. Again not very detailed, http://www.srythforum.com/showthread.php?p=34001&postcount=779

Also don't forget you can search this thread or the one on the old forum for keywords that you can glean from the wiki. May cut down on the surfing through the threads. Here's the old forum thread which switched to this forum around the time of The Ghost Patrol so it may not be of much help. And you have to be registered on the old fourm. http://shadowwolf47.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=talk&action=display&thread=4093

Also you mention the wiki. I haven't looked at it much at all since around the time I ran it.

Keep in mind that it's not possible to test PG's like normal adventures so it's hard for one person to do those rinse and repeat runs. Also those plot branches compound that mutli-fold.

Unfortunately (maybe fortunately as this would be a wiki chore) I've ran all my characters through it and didn't maintain any notes. I just hope I put it down in the forum who did what so I'll at least know who "needs" the throne "adjustment" down the road.

Good luck. About the only advice I can remember to give is don't forget those Keppekk Elixirs or Leaves if you have 'em.

[Rift120]

The big thing I want to know about is Owl's choices. I've gone up and downt eh thread... and all I've figured out is how to get drunkard Owl.

I don't want eivl Owl.. but is it possible to get nondrunkard good Owl?

[Memory King]

Yes, if you go down the heroic path by not alerting the guards about his presence and helping him to escape them.

I'm not sure about what happens if you don't alert the guards and don't help him, alert the guards and help him, or if you alert the guards and don't help him. My two plays through this PG were a bit too similar come to think of it. I've still got two characters left though, so I still have a chance to explore a few different branches.