Trielra's Staff

[Joddelle]

Going through Axepath, and suddenly this staff becomes a 2-handed weapon?

$#!^

[shadowblack]

It should be. Did it also become a staff, as it should be?

[zmflavius]

yes, and yes. But I haven't yet unequipped it so I still have blessed defender.

Balance issues, I would think. A weapon like that one-handed.

[smv1973]

Looks like the Staff has gone through some changes.



Trielra's Staff

* Class: Weapon, Staff
* Encumbrance: 8
* Quality: Magical
* Power: Energy Drain
* Melee Rating: +20, and +15 extra vs. Demons, and +12 extra vs. Undead, and +11 extra vs. shadow
* Aura: +2
* Mind: +1
* Spirit: +1
* Nevernal Reserve: +4
* Requires 2 hands

[Joddelle]

I much preferred it as a rod.

[zmflavius]

or a hammer.

[Hastifer]

Did the item id change?

[Joddelle]

Did the item id change?

no, it's still 1521

And rod seems appropriate for a one-handed staff-like weapon.

[racey]

It should be. Did it also become a staff, as it should be?

Why should it be? Why not rename it Trielra's Hammer. Since that was what it was as a bashing weapon. Now since I was trying to level up Trent's Weaponry, Bashing I have to dust off the Demonscourge and replace it with this now worthless staff. At least as a one handed hammer it served a purpose for Trent.

[Hastifer]

Thanks Joddelle, wiki updated.

I'm with you, racey. But I guess I'll still use it for grinding.

I do think it is balance related though -- it was far easier to obtain than the SSL (although -- you had to go through more to get the staff since all the quests for the Iakor/SS weapons are prerequisites... hum...)


I want my hammer back! :)

[Joddelle]

It is NOT easier to get than the SSL
In fact, you have to have the SSL before you can get it, since you get it in an adventure involving Runeskin that you can't get until you've completed the main Runeskin arc.

[Hastifer]

LOL, I already said that.

[Oldschool]

no, it's still 1521

And rod seems appropriate for a one-handed staff-like weapon.

Totally agree, after all I'm sure most of us D&D'ers recall the Rods, Staves and Wands section of the Dungeon Master's Guide.

[Badstench]

I'm glad I stumbled across this thread.

I logged on and looked at my stats while armed with Trielra's staff and thought, "Huh... something's different".

I was using this weapon as a means to gain bashing xp, but now it's been changed to a staff, It's become superfluous to my requirements.

Anyway, it's no longer a 2 handed weapon, and this makes it a serious rival to Tzal-Toalth in the power stakes. This is a bit annoying considering all the hard work I put into maxing-out Tzal-Toalth (believe me, hitiing level 100 in Necromancy wasn't a cake-walk).

[MrBlack]

Here are new stats



Trielra's Staff (Use)


* Class: Weapon, Staff
* Encumbrance: 8
* Quality: Magical
* Power: Energy Drain
* Melee Rating: +20, and +15 extra vs. Demons, and +12 extra vs. Undead, and +11 extra vs. shadow
* Aura: +2
* Mind: +1
* Spirit: +1
* Nevernal Reserve: +4

[solitu]

Aye, not 2-handed anymore!:D

Due to the magical nature of this grand weapon, the staff may be wielded as a one-handed weapon.

[Joddelle]

Wow. That is sweet. I do wish is was still a bashing weapon, but I definately approve of this weapon again.

[Chareos]

Actually stumbling upon this thread is a bonus as now I can use it to increase staves :-)

[Hastifer]

Off to the wiki again... :)

[zmflavius]

I guess it's time to go and pull it back out of Lunacastrum Castle then...

edit: that also got me thinking...does anyone else think that maybe the GM really overpowered this weapon by removing the 2-handedness?

[Joddelle]

I guess it's time to go and pull it back out of Lunacastrum Castle then...

edit: that also got me thinking...does anyone else think that maybe the GM really overpowered this weapon by removing the 2-handedness?

Absolutely not. You can only get it late in the game, it's not as good as demonscourge against demons, it's not as good as your Shimmering Silver weapon against most other foes, so it becomes the weapon you use against undead. It's a niche weapon even with it's current stats.

[smv1973]

Just so every one knows I sent the GM an email yesterday about the changes made to the staff. Here is the email I got back from the GM.

Hi, thanks for the feedback/report. The staff was implemented incorrectly as it was designated as a "hammer" as opposed to a "staff". I've changed its designation to "staff" but have also now made an allowance for it to be wielded with just one hand. A line has been added to its description to explain it. You may need to equip/unequip a weapon or piece of armour for the staff to adopt its new characteristics. Please let me know if you have any questions or if you run into any trouble with the staff. All the best and thanks again for the report! gamemaster@sryth.com

[Oldschool]

I started posting this before the other responses but had to take a break in the middle of posting it then for some reason I had to log back in and it was easier to copy and repost it.

Btw, nice to see Joddelle agrees with me as I value her opinion and consider her a Sryth Sage.

EDIT: Now if only I could be as concise and to the point as her when posting. :rolleyes:

Good question. Most folks are gonna still use an SSL/Iakor's Deathblade, or "better weapon", except for scaled scenarios vs the specific enemy type or when they're trying to develop other (than slashing) weapon subs. In this case, staves. Of course there's always an exception like Badstench's and a few other players use of Tzal-Toalth whether if be for roleplaying or other reasons. Although Badstench brings up a good point in his earlier post.

It's nice to see a "free" non-slashing weapon that gives some pause when deciding whether to use it or the SSL/Iakor's. Hmmmm, carry it and lose a few points of MR (vs. non specific types) and a few more SP but gain some NR and against three types gain several MR points..... Perhaps the GM has been lurking around during these "other than slashing particularly the SSL debates". The NR boost is particurlarly nice however, more so if the Phantom bug is ever fixed.

Since it's not easily gotten during early character development when a lot of first-run stuff is still open - well I should say that I'll assume (yes, dangerous territory) it isn't since I don't actually know how hard it is to run Tarn "early on". If getting Triela's Staff early on would be as daunting as I think - by that time most characters will have the SSL/Iakor's in their inventory as well as the Creyn and Demonscourge. Plus lets face it, the game still favors slashing and most folks even in Axepath will carry either the Creyn or the Hale. Hawk will normally only carry the Creyn, Banderyp's and Hale Blades. The Creyn seems to make things a bit faster through Axepath and Tarn's undead than the Hale - although I'll have to re-evaluate that after my last gear tweak since my SP has increased. I ran Axepath and Tarn several times with the Staff and didn't notice any marked difference from running it with the Creyn.

Back to the question. If obtaining it early isn't easily done I don't think the weapon is overpowered (look at Tallys's inventory) nor does it unbalance gameplay. One thing is for sure - keeping it two-handed definitely would've consigned it to be another dust collector for most characters.

A more interesting question for me would be how some of the other items us "younger" players take for granted were perceived by the veteran players when they were first released and even now for that matter. I remember trying to defeat Ghor-Tiln with Hawk before the Wand and Finger were standard items. Then I ran my secondaries through wielding the Wand and/or Finger and defeated her - liked the xp awards but for me it was pretty much a "hollow victory" and definitely a melancholy moment.

[Almathea]

Absolutely not. You can only get it late in the game, it's not as good as demonscourge against demons, it's not as good as your Shimmering Silver weapon against most other foes, so it becomes the weapon you use against undead. It's a niche weapon even with it's current stats.

I agree. To me, it's a replacement for the Creyn Blade, which was fairly underpowered except against undead.

On edit, like Oldschool said, except that I'd rather carry the Staff than the Blade for Axepath as I'm not currently trying to level up my slashing skill.

[shadowblack]

As has been mentioned in this very thread, to get this weapon you must have completed the Runeskin adventures in Silverwysp, in which case you'll have both the Iakor's/SS weapons and the Demonscourge.

Still, it is a nice weapon and I'll be using it when training staves.

[Oldschool]

Personally since we have Demonscourge I'm glad to see that it moved out of the bashing category. Like Shadowblack it's nice to have to train Staves.

[Joddelle]

If getting Triela's Staff early on would be as daunting as I think - by that time most characters will have the SSL/Iakor's in their inventory as well as the Creyn and Demonscourge.

Actually, since you're fighting a minion of Runeskin in and around Ashlyre, I'm pretty sure the adventure "The Plague of Ashlyre" - where you get the staff - wouldn't be available at all unless you had aleady done Runekin and had Demonscourge, and at that point getting your SS weapon is just a matter of visiting a few NPCs...

[psychoadept]

Still, it is a nice weapon and I'll be using it when training staves.

At first glance, I read that as "when training slaves". *shakes head*

[thingirl]

Lets see, a list of the sub skills and some "free" weapons that are good for training them.

Bashing- Demonscourge
Hacking- Black Steele Axe
Lances- none in game.
Polearms- SSS/ Iakor's.
Staves- Tzal-Toalth, Trielra's Staff
Slashing- SSL/ Iakor's, Creyn Blade.
Stabbing- The dagger you get from the Mrigspil
Troll-Bont- Engraved T-B.

And, there are also SS: Mace, Axe, Spear, Staff (?), and Dagger.

Trielra's is one handed, and has more (and better) special bonuses than Tzal-Toalth. If it weren't for Trielra's, I wouldn't train Staves.

[Joddelle]

If there's a free magical spear in-game, I don't know about it. Also, Creyn should be added to the Slashing list.

[thingirl]

It's either Well-Crafted or Sturdy, I sold it and don't remember. Thanks about Creyn, I knew I was forgeting something.

[smv1973]

The Shimmering Silver weapons/Iakor weapons have a spear.

[Oldschool]

Now that you mention it although there are a few non-magical "free" spears in the game there isn't any magical ones that I'm aware of either. I'm still storing the Naranok Champ's spear from the Jagged Hills in my castle eventhough an unmatched one would be better as well as an imbuable one with the right icons.

This brings up a good point and I don't recall who to give credit to for first mentioning it on the old forum but it'd be nice if we could swap our Shimmering Silver/Iakor's weapons around for gaining experience to weapon subs.

[Joddelle]

Now that you mention it although there are a few non-magical "free" spears in the game there isn't any magical ones that I'm aware of either. I'm still storing the Naranok Champ's spear from the Jagged Hills in my castle eventhough an unmatched one would be better as well as an imbuable one with the right icons.

This brings up a good point and I don't recall who to give credit to for first mentioning it on the old forum but it'd be nice if we could swap our Shimmering Silver/Iakor's weapons around for gaining experience to weapon subs.
I still have the exceptional Bone-Tipped Spear from that Champion in the Jagged Hills. I've also got an unmatched spear from a random drop. I could make a +15 imbuded spear if I wanted, but Joddelle's Kiss is currently an axe.

[thingirl]

Wait, isn't there a SS Spear?

Anyway, does anybody have a review of Tzal-Tolath and Triela's and which one they think is better?

[smv1973]

Wait, isn't there a SS Spear?

Anyway, does anybody have a review of Tzal-Tolath and Triela's and which one they think is better?

Yes there is a SS spear.

[Oldschool]

Well the review would depend largely on the wielder's Necromancy level in regards to Tzal-Toalth. Wielding it with legendary Necromancy status with 2 gems and Ghor-Tiln's Eye makes it +43 MR not counting the additional +5 vs. undead and demons (+10 vs undead/demons w/ the "Eye" according to the wiki).

----- Math is not my forte disclaimer :rolleyes: ------------------

However keeping "free" items in mind you'd have to subtract the difference between the Snake's Head Medallion (net -3 MR, -2 SP and -5 NR) as well as a fully charged Ice Shield (-15 MR, -7SP) which would total out at -18 MR, -9 SP and -5 NR.

Triela's Staff is +20 MR, +4 NR and vs Undead +12, Demons +15 and shadow +11.

Not figuring specific types the net would be for Tzal-Toalth +5 MR, -9 SP and NR.

First the NR "flavor hit" to Tzal-Toalth (in which I agree with Badstench and Joddelle) now this one-handed dilemma for the Staff of Bats.

As Badstench and others have stated statistically there's "better" weapons out there. Which brings me to this, Badstench have a rep for true roleplaying.

[Badstench]

Thingirl asked
Anyway, does anybody have a review of Tzal-Tolath and Triela's and which one they think is better?
Oldschool answered this admirably and with all the statistics.

Given the pro's and cons of both staves, they are very close to being equal in the power stakes. I wouldn't be averse to carrying both of them, swapping from one to the other as need dictated (I need the extra NV points: use Trielras Staff. I need the extra MR points, use Tzal-Toalth).

However, I've consigned both to storage at my residence and have now taken up an hacking as my preferred style of attack!

[thingirl]

Keep in mind, Trielras Staff is one handed (AKA, can use the Ice Shield with it), while Tzal-Tolath is two handed (can't use a shield).

[zmflavius]

Keep in mind, Trielras Staff is one handed (AKA, can use the Ice Shield with it), while Tzal-Tolath is two handed (can't use a shield).

Trielra's staff+Ice Shield+Snake's head medallion = a net bonus of 40 MR, 12 SP, and 9 NV.

Tzal-Toalth + Ghor-Tiln's eye = a net bonus of 45 MR, 3 SP.

Long story short, I agree with what Badstench says.

[Oldschool]

Also anyone that stored it in their grand residences before the tweak that still has it there may want to move it to the right chest.

It still lists as a bashing weapon in storage until you take it out of storage then put it back in.