Loose Ends --SPOILER WARNING--

[Oldschool]

For discussions and anything else related to loose ends.

SPOILER WARNING: Players that aren't "current" with the game and that have not completed all of the currently available content be warned that topics covered in this thread contain spoiler information.

First off kudos to the wiki contributors for the "Loose Ends" page on the wiki which is linked in the following SPOILER tags. Note: The original thread on the old forum is linked within the wiki page.

http://sryth.wikia.com/wiki/Loose_Ends

Here is another thread off the old forum as well. http://shadowwolf47.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=talk&action=display&thread=4669&page=1

[Oldschool]

Defining a "loose end" within the game's context may be open to interpretation or to put it differently - when does a loose end become a loose end.

I don't think there is a set answer and I haven't been around long enough for real perspective on the issue so I think member consensus or an informal "forum quorum" ;) would suffice.

[Oldschool]

There are three, actually four, that immediately spring to my mind.

First and foremost for probably most folks is the Sword of Merzekk.

Considering the current Battleground system, especially Ogredom, restoration (SP and NvR) potions come to mind. Specifically Gilborn's and to a lesser degree Adrimar's promised one (just because it's a potion as I would think it would be a one shot deal like his other one). Gilborn on the other hand would likely have more "common" potions like Keppek Elixirs, etc....

Considering the reappearance of Runeskin the whole valour system comes to mind as well.

[solitu]

In one very old post of Questions for the GM (I like digging things up in the old forum), I vaguely remembered that he said the sword is linked with stoneskin fever. Considering the current circumstances, I guess the fever will not be cured in very near future.

Some things I'm particularly interested in:
Talismans and the luck charm
Stoppered vial
Silver Dragon Statue
Pets
I.S.
Kyul-Thanor
Dreadstones

[thingirl]

The stoppered vial isn't, IMHO, a loose end yet, because he's just takeing Fougbough slowly. What do you mean by the Dreadstones as loose ends? And what does I.S. stand for?

My list:
Teek (OK, so not really, because the Temple hasn't even been out for a month)

[solitu]

The stoppered vial isn't, IMHO, a loose end yet, because he's just takeing Fougbough slowly.
Hurm, I forgot. Was just looking at strange things in my item list. What a shame...

As for IS, he is none other than the phantom assassin himself.

[shadowblack]

What I want to see finished is the Iron Dragon (because it shouldn't take much to finish it - just an adventire or two).

[thingirl]

Oh, I forgot his name :o

[Doolipalally]

What I want to see finished is the Iron Dragon (because it shouldn't take much to finish it - just an adventire or two).


That one's top of my list as well, for the same reason. Would be a shame to leave it hanging for too long.

[thingirl]

I use the WoD atleast 3 times a day. I hope that the Iron Drageon finishing won't effect that.

[smv1973]

I use the WoD atleast 3 times a day. I hope that the Iron Drageon finishing won't effect that.

I don't think it will.

[thingirl]

I meen, the GM said something about the WoD haveing adverse effects.

[Joddelle]

It turns your toenails black, and gives you a bad stench.

[Lightwielder]

While there may be loose ends, let me say something in the GM's defense. I saw a news post a long time ago about the birth of the GM's second son. I also e-mailed him once, and he mentioned something about his wall of updates.

That wall of updates is probably pretty big and cluttered, but keep in mind that the GM has a real life, too. Not everything is going to be solved ASAP, and he can't please everybody; so just keep that in mind as you talk about these loose ends and the "randomness."

[Badstench]

thingirl observed about the Wand of Dragonfire...
the GM said something about the WoD haveing adverse effects
To which Joddelle offered...
It turns your toenails black, and gives you a bad stench.
To which badstench chuckled, but noted the poignant reference in his "Tome of Long Memories".

Actually, thingirl, use of the wand does, and has always, had an adverse effect. Next time you use it, read the battle description; it "steals" a small portion of your SP.

I like this aspect of the Finger. Being a skeletal bone, it lends it a necromantic feel, which Judge Fury finds delightful!

And last, but not least, Lightwielder said...
That wall of updates is probably pretty big and cluttered, but keep in mind that the GM has a real life, too. Not everything is going to be solved ASAP, and he can't please everybody; so just keep that in mind as you talk about these loose ends and the "randomness."
I don't buy that argument, especially the bit about having a real life. The gm has made Sryth a full time endeavour and a business. We are the paying customers, and although the customer is not always right, they should be acknowledged, even if it's to explain why such requests are not possible.

Right, lets see how much trouble that remarks brings me!

[Elrond]

... but keep in mind that the GM has a real life, too. Not everything is going to be solved ASAP, and he can't please everybody; so just keep that in mind as you talk about these loose ends and the "randomness."

Of course you're right about the GM's real life commitments. But the time he spends on the game needs to concentrate more on tying up loose ends rather than creating new ones. That's my simple opinion on this discussion.

[shadowblack]

Badstench, you DO know that it is the Finger of Dread that drains some of your Stamina, right? And that the Wand of Dragonfire is a different item that has never stolen any Stamina (at least from me)? Just wanted to make sure...

[thingirl]

Same here. But I'm starting Ogerdom in a few minutes, so I'll see.

[thingirl]

OK, so supper was almost ready. Anyway, the text for the wand A deafening roar fills the air as a powerful breath of fire explodes from the tip of your iron wand. Your enemy is consumed by the ravaging flames, taking 172 points of damage... It doesn't say anything about ME taking damage. And I didn't take any either.

Oh, and PG6! That's a loose end that'll be finished, but it's taking so long (note: PG5 was fully posted by the time I started playing).

[funguy2065]

The loose end that most bothers me is that treasure map you get right at the start of the game out of Hawklor. In the save the pilgrims adventure, you elect to kill the Ogres and get the map from their cave. If anyone can tell me a use for that map (I think it is called Tattered Map), I will be very grateful.

[Oldschool]

Now that you mention it can someone please put that to rest for me also?

I remember being told that the "small folded map" we get from Shill (if you kill him) was part of an adventure that is no longer available. I seem to recall a similar post I stumbled across involving the tattered map - that the associated scenario had been removed. Of course I could be mistakenly confusing the tattered map and the small folded map.

One other thing I'd like to see "evolve" is that Frozen Dragon Flame - it's Frozen Dragon Flame for criminy sakes. ;)

[Badstench]

Shadowblack pointed out...
Badstench, you DO know that it is the Finger of Dread that drains some of your Stamina, right? And that the Wand of Dragonfire is a different item that has never stolen any Stamina

Yes, I knew that. My post was refering to the Finger of Dread. I think of this as a wand, which it is... it just happens to be made out of a skeletal finger.

However, my bad for not recognising that the earlier reference was actually about the Wand of Dragonfire, so I confused the issue unnecessarily.

I stand corrected.

[Oldschool]

Getting closer to finishing the Bowl of Blood gem hunt with the secondaries and got to thinking about Mirgspil's North Bell Cooperage and more specifically Anjurlak's absence as well as the "Lost Crown's" elixirs.

Considering Gilbornn's needing time to get what he needs perhaps Anjurlak is off hunting alchemical ingredients for him. If so, maybe we need to send him off to see Borimm Locksong after he returns. ;)

[shadowblack]

You do realize that what you're saying makes sense only if we managed to save Anjurlak, right? As far as I'm concerned Anjurlak is NOT a loose end.

[Hastifer]

Getting closer to finishing the Bowl of Blood gem hunt with the secondaries and got to thinking about Mirgspil's North Bell Cooperage and more specifically Anjurlak's absence as well as the "Lost Crown's" elixirs.

Considering Gilbornn's needing time to get what he needs perhaps Anjurlak is off hunting alchemical ingredients for him. If so, maybe we need to send him off to see Borimm Locksong after he returns. ;)


*Gets excited*

You do realize that what you're saying makes sense only if we managed to save Anjurlak, right? As far as I'm concerned Anjurlak is NOT a loose end.

Spoilsport!







One other thing I'd like to see "evolve" is that Frozen Dragon Flame - it's Frozen Dragon Flame for criminy sakes. ;)

Well that's what the old guy tells us. But is it cold to the touch?

Or is it that something which is normally scalding hot, once "frozen" is actually room temperature?

(But I'm actually in agreement with you on that. It is one of those items with the least function, but the errr... pardon the choice of words here... the item with the coolest name...)

Maybe it is just a really good light source? (like an everburning torch...)

[texlaw1992]

For the two who asked, the Wiki said it connected to an old adventure which was no longer available.

[Lightwielder]

Speaking of loose ends, you know that mysterious assassin that you find in Graldok bazaar? I found him in the Talinus harbor.

Weird...

[zmflavius]

Speaking of loose ends, you know that mysterious assassin that you find in Graldok bazaar? I found him in the Talinus harbor.

Weird...

He can be found in four areas.

[Young Ned]

Yes, he's always been available in multiple areas. It's just that the Graldok bazaar is the only one of those areas anyone goes to on a regular basis (especially once you've made enough progress to acquire a quickstone), so we usually only see him there.

[jimyred]

Question: Is there any current use for the map of Fogbough that you get from Thymbrak at the end of the Dreadstone quests? I've gone to Fogbough and tried to use it, but can't get anything. I've looked through the forum and wiki, but I can't find any mention of it. Is this just another loose end?

[texlaw1992]

Yes, it's currently a loose end until Fogbough is expanded.

[Oldschool]

Just thought I'd bump this one back up especially since thanks to Badstench (Yay! Bastench) we have another Questions to the GM installment in the works. Could be good fodder for a question or two.

[scout1idf]

I just noticed that Fang Ridge isn't on the loose end list on the wiki...

Specifically....

An 'X' painted in blood on the bark of a tree. You can encounter these carvings multiple times, and each time the tree is different. (Trees include "a towering ash", "a majestic oak", and "a young maple".) It is currently unknown what the significance (if any) of these carvings is.

I wonder when anything will come of this?

[Doolipalally]

I just noticed that Fang Ridge isn't on the loose end list on the wiki...


I wonder when anything will come of this?

Good point, although it's the other initial I'm more curious about.

[thingirl]

From the wiki (http://sryth.wikia.com/wiki/Fang_Ridge) 256 XP applied to general after killing the wolves, and then you find a letter painted in blood. It is the first letter from your character's name so it varies between characters

Haha, you were told to get a prescription (rx) and I was told ax. It's interesting what two letters can spell out...

[Oldschool]

Nice catch Scout. Maybe that should be added?

[paladin]

Nice catch Scout. Maybe that should be added?

It's funny, but the first letter I ever found wasn't the first letter of Marissa's name. So I don't know if that's entirely it.

[SiannaDey]

From the wiki (http://sryth.wikia.com/wiki/Fang_Ridge)

Haha, you were told to get a prescription (rx) and I was told ax. It's interesting what two letters can spell out...

and I would end up with an SD!!!! :mad:

[thingirl]

Actually, it would be sx, or xs if you'd rather. The two letters are the first in your character's name, and the second is an x.

[paladin]

Actually, it would be sx, or xs if you'd rather. The two letters are the first in your character's name, and the second is an x.

That can't be entirely it though since the first letter I ever found wasn't even an M. And I'm pretty sure it wasn't an X either.

[shadowblack]

I made some changes to the Loose Ends (http://sryth.wikia.com/wiki/Loose_Ends) wiki page (mostly new additions), but I'm sure there's more to add. Anyone wanna refresh my memory about the things I have missed? Please?

[Lyrehc]

Platinum Star Coins are no longer loose ends.

[shadowblack]

I added a few more loose ends to the wiki page. All I can say is:
Wow, there sure are A LOT of loose ends!

[shadowblack]

From the beginning of a certain adventure:
"But, my fine young man, if it's a tale about Shadowblack you're after, I'm afraid I'll need a bit more to go on -- numerous indeed are the stories that speak of his adventures. Is it the 'Halls of Wolf King'? It's not the one about the 'Alder Throne' is it? What about the one where he becomes the...no, I don't think that's it."
The second is something we all know about, the third is anyone's guess, and the first... It's definitely something we have never heard about before or since. I wonder if that counts as a loose end? Or just flavor text?

[Doolipalally]

My instinct is that it's probably just flavour text, and that even if it isn't, it's probably best to treat it as such. It might represent a vague idea in the GM's head, or it might not.

I did briefly wonder about the Tattered Wolf items from Fogbough, though... :)

[spencer]

My instinct is that it's probably just flavour text, and that even if it isn't, it's probably best to treat it as such. It might represent a vague idea in the GM's head, or it might not.

I did briefly wonder about the Tattered Wolf items from Fogbough, though... :)


I recently ran this adventure with my secondary and my first thought when I saw the text was the tattered wolf pelt items, as Dooli duly mentioned :)

[Oldschool]

Same here, I thought of the Tattered Wolf Pelt itemsas well.

[thingirl]

Me too. I wonder if this will become PG VII? I mean Alder Throne is PG VI, so maybe the Wolf items are somehow PG VII. Although, I doubt it'll come out before *de-jinx* [a certain item] if it comes out at all.

[Young Ned]

I'm still curious about "What about the one where he becomes the... no, I don't think that's it." Becomes the what? "Thane of [city-name]" or "King of Tysa" would be the most obvious guesses, except for that pesky law that the king and the thanes can't have magical powers. "Archmage of Tysa"? "Grey Mage's successor"? "Avatar of Srythak"? "King of Ryorsial"? (Other countries don't necessarily have the same restriction that Tysa does, after all.)

Or it could be something we've already done, like "the one where he becomes the disciple of Palk". Or something we've already started but not finished, like "the one where he becomes the disciple of Palk and saves the entire realm of Kyul-Thanor from destruction." :) Or, or, or... ?

[Oldschool]

First and foremost considering the thread and context a BIG DEJINX is in order..... :rolleyes:

With some appropriate musical accompaniment it would seem, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ul7X5js1vE

Considering recent developments I found the preceding half dozen or so posts interesting.....