Tome of Attainment - Speculation

[Havoc]

Here's a thread to speculate on what exactly the Tome of Attainment will be about.

I'm 'Spoilering' my guess, so that others can comment without being influenced by my ideas. :)

It will essentially be an Achievements system for Sryth, as first seen in Xbox Gamescores, and also becoming common in other games. Completing various tasks in the game will grant you an achievement, such as
* Scoring more than 1000 damage in one round in a multiplayer battle.
* Reaching level 30 of Lords of Ogredom with no weapons/armour equipped.
* Killing 100 Griffons
Each achievement will provide the player a nominal reward, say 1 AT or 1024 General XP.

[spencer]

I will spoiler my guess also, without having read yours...

I believe it will be a way to increase basic stats (i.e. might, body, etc) or possibly a way to extend skills and powers beyond legendary status

[zmflavius]

Myself:

I'm hoping, despite the sheer impossibility of it occurring, that the tome of attainment has something to do with the sword of Merzekk

[thingirl]

Maybe it'll be along the lines of the Tome of Forgotten Lore, with pages being found in PG VI and/ or in Fougbough or Bone Hord.

EDIT: Zm, you're funny. Both of us have sort of... unrealistic Ideas. I agree with you.

[Havoc]

Looks like all the spoilers have killed any actual discussion. Maybe I ought to get rid of them?

[spencer]

Heh, I don't mind, I was just following suit.

[thingirl]

Inertia is a wonderful thing, isn't it. And it's a good Idea. Both of you have good ideas. Havoc's idea has potential (especially the AT part) but those goals are near imposable. Spencer's idea is more likely. Zm's is... well, I hope he's correct, although if you have to spent ATs to get the SoM, I'm gonna be displeased. I'll pay it though.

[billydakid]

Ok my idea is really out there but here it goes. You'll be able to pick 1 and only 1 powe orr skill and be able to make it go up to a hundred right away.

[thingirl]

It is out there, but... I wonder what Havoc would pick? I know I would pick either Restro or Gateing or SM.

[spencer]

Unspoilered additional guess...maybe it will be a way to acquire new skills or powers

[thingirl]

Like Dark Goblin Magic?

[Elrond]

Ok my idea is really out there but here it goes. You'll be able to pick 1 and only 1 powe orr skill and be able to make it go up to a hundred right away.

This a speculation that I would love to see become fact :p . And I would venture to add that the GM could allow one skill or power to be raised to lvl 100 or for a set number of xp to be distributed evenly between all skills and powers.

[thingirl]

If it was Rais a skill or powr to 100 OR get a good to massive AS&P bonous, I would go with the XP.

[Elrond]

If it was Rais a skill or powr to 100 OR get a good to massive AS&P bonous, I would go with the XP.

:D Translation of above quote:

"If it was raise a skill or power to 100 or get a good to massive xp bonus to AS&P, I would go with the xp bonus to AS&P."

And I would agree with your choice.

[thingirl]

As you can tell, the "e" key wasn't working, I was using quick reply, and I didn't read what I posted. And I and most other people just say AS&P, because it's assumed that you mean XP bonus to.

[Elrond]

As you can tell, the "e" key wasn't working, I was using quick reply, and I didn't read what I posted. And I and most other people just say AS&P, because it's assumed that you mean XP bonus to.

Sorry, I couldn't tell that the "e" key was not working. And I could not at first glance tell if xp was referring to the xp raising one power to lvl 100 or xp spread to AS&P.

And I apologize if you were offended.

[thingirl]

now, im nat, a bod speler. <= That's what happens when I don't use spellcheck. And I used an "e" three time in that post, and only one of them actually went through. Like, dude, at least I didn't post in the unintelligible language of "teen tweets".

[Joddelle]

I'm going with "Attaining" S&P levels beyond Legendary (100).

Ability scores beyond Superhuman (20) are probably going to come from the Quickstone (evenually).

[thingirl]

That's what I was going to say! I knew I was forgeting something. But, probally not s&p above 100 (although that's what you and Havoc would like) because if the tome were ever lost,stolen/stored/slod/ otherwise gotten rid of, then you should lose those extra levels. And if you don't get the XP back...

[Joddelle]

because if the tome were ever lost,stolen/stored/slod/ otherwise gotten rid of, then you should lose those extra levels.

Why? Do you lose all the knowledge you learned from a book when you give it away/lose it/sell it? Do you remember the stories you read in a novel once you close the cover? Or forget how to add 2+2 when you turn in your arithmetic book at the end of the school year?

[thingirl]

No, but 100 is the max, and the max is increased by the magical book. It's the same with the QS raising stats above 20.

[Oldschool]

I'm of the mind that it'll be a new skill/power. Although I'm not discounting anything especially the previous ideas. Also, considering the GM's D&D roots I can't help but think about the books, tomes, "librams", manuals, etc. that either raised character levels, stats or a combo of both.

[Doolipalally]

I'm going with "Attaining" S&P levels beyond Legendary (100).

Ability scores beyond Superhuman (20) are probably going to come from the Quickstone (evenually).

I agree about the QS. I was wondering (hopefully) though if the Tome of Attainment might give us a way of using xp that's otherwise wasted on skills & powers that are already at 100. I'm not sure if I can envisage attaining a level beyond 100 (though I can see why that would be good for Joddelle!) but it would be nice if it gave us alternatives: e.g. turn it into general xp, build it up for a one-off combat bonus...

[scout1idf]

It is out there, but... I wonder what Havoc would pick? I know I would pick either Restro or Gateing or SM.


I would pick my lowest POWER so I could save the most XP in the long run.

[Badstench]

I think the whole "raise 1 power to level 100" idea is way too ambitious. The disparity of XP awarded from player to player would be too widespread

Instead, I suspect a set amount of experience points is awarded that can be spread over one or more skills and powers in whatever amount the player chooses.

However, I rather like Havoc's original idea... that the GM will assign us various tasks that must be completed to obtain a reward.

[zmflavius]

I think the whole "raise 1 power to level 100" idea is way too ambitious. The disparity of XP awarded from player to player would be too widespread

Instead, I suspect a set amount of experience points is awarded that can be spread over one or more skills and powers in whatever amount the player chooses.

However, I rather like Havoc's original idea... that the GM will assign us various tasks that must be completed to obtain a reward.

While on one hand, I too believe that idea is a good one, I also think that none of those challenges should be so unreasonable as to require you to have donated to achieve, for example

"Complete lvl 65 of Lords of Ogredom"

[thingirl]

Yea, but if compleating level 20 naked is a requitement, I start on 20 so...

[Badstench]

I acknowledged:
I rather like Havoc's original idea... that the GM will assign us various tasks that must be completed to obtain a reward.
To which zmflavius opined:
While on one hand, I too believe that idea is a good one, I also think that none of those challenges should be so unreasonable as to require you to have donated to achieve, for example

"Complete lvl 65 of Lords of Ogredom"
To which I agree, though a variation of the same wouldn't be unreasobale... say, level 45?

Regardless, this idea of "tasks" would be a long term and ongoing style of scenario that would be quite apt for the use of the Tome of Attainment, and wouldn't interfere with 'normal' gaming.

[paladin]

Speaking of the TOme of FOrgotten Lore, I wonder when we'll start seeing more pages for that. I hardly think the Tome of Attainment will be a replacement for FOrgotten Lore, otherwise why go through all the trouble, first og finding all the cubes to get the Tome itself in Stoneback Hill, then of raising Lore and Arcana to sixty, then of slaying the nine-lived Catamarok (I've forgotten the spelling of his name so I won't even attempt it), to get the gems. Oh and then getting the one page from Tallys' and then of fighting your way through PGV to get those other three pages from Rynduil.
My guess is we're going to need its power for some adventure, perhaps even to complete the Sword of Merzekk quests, and it'll probably have other secrets as well just like the Quickstone. But we won't know this at least until after the latest Proving Grounds scenario goes live, if I read correctly what the GM said in one of the more recent updates.

[Havoc]

Here's what the GM had to say:

I read your message on the Tome of Attainment. It will be something like
what you described. At various intervals, based on a character's
achievements, or combination of achievements, a page will appear in the
tome. The page may provide information, a bonus, an item, access to an
adventure, etc.

The tome will be somewhat costly to obtain, though not out of reach for
the average adventurer, and it will ultimately make up for its cost in
the bonuses and other rewards its pages will provide.

The "hand of fate" decisions that appear in various spots in certain
adventures will play a role in some of the pages that will appear in the
tome.

[Oldschool]

Thanks for passing that along Havoc - duly repped.

[Joddelle]

That sounds great.
I can't wait to get one! repped Havoc, for all your dedication and hard work

[psychoadept]

The "hand of fate" decisions that appear in various spots in certain
adventures will play a role in some of the pages that will appear in the
tome.[/i]

Woot! About time!

[Doolipalally]

And a 'woot' from me too! Thanks, Havoc.

Does anyone have a list of all the hand of fate decisions that are out there? I couldn't see a list on the wiki, and the only one I can remember for some reason is Spikefist.

[Joddelle]

Besides Spikefist, I know of these:

There was one with letting the Arcane Assassin escape during "The Hunted Man" in Hawklor.

There was one about picking up the tear mark in "The Bog Giant", one of the Tasks from Thane Pyrond.

There was one before picking where you sit down in "A Fireside Encounter" - one choice let you return the pouch to the guy that dropped it, but mentioned getting rewarded back 'tenfold' so that could be a big one for some folk.

There were two in Fogbough, one with the wandering Goblin and one with the Troll in the cave.

during the 7 goblins: Whether to kill "Tarungar the Axe" or not

whether to kill Trissid, the annoying villager at the end of "Rise of the Frost Demon"

whether to investigate Gamagryl's lair or walk away in "The Killing Hand of Winter"

Whether to kill Rynduil or Halanne when you're being controlled in PG-V

whether to Teach Hasyrt a lesson or ignore him in "Part 1" of the Saarngard Isle Joust.

whether you allow the children to sit on your horse during the border ranger outpost adventure "Disorder in Millbend"

Edit: I think there might have been one in Bentlimb forest about fighting the Sticklings, but I'm not so sure on that one

[Doolipalally]

Thanks & repped!

[thingirl]

I think you forgot weather to kill the brothers or not in Crow Hill.

[shadowblack]

That wasn't a fate decision - that's why many of us chose to kill them instead of waiting to get Restoration 70.

In any case it's good to hear the fate decisions will finally come into play - after letting all those goblins live I want something in return.

[spencer]

I have to say that I am glad that you were right Havoc, it sounds like a great addition to the game.

[thingirl]

I thought it was. Oh well.

[Joddelle]

Crow Hill was not a fate decision.
There are probably some I forgot though, as I did them mostly from memory with a some references to my incomplete personal notes.

[paladin]

Nope, the brothers in Crow Hill weren't a fate choice. I'd have preferred to heal them but at the time I was nowhere even close to getting Restoration to 70 and I rather needed the Adv Tokens. Think I was still working on buying the Quickstone at the time. I think, unless I'm remembering wrong, that the only Fate decision where I killed someone was Spikefist. Those gauntlets were too tempting.

[spencer]

What about the gauntlets, Spikefist, I think his name was...you had a choice as to whether fight him or not

[Joddelle]

yes, Spikefist was a Fate choice, as Doolipalally pointed out in his request for a list

[spencer]

yes, Spikefist was a Fate choice, as Doolipalally pointed out in his request for a list


Ah, I see, sorry Dooli, maybe I should read a little more carefully

[Doolipalally]

yes, Spikefist was a Fate choice, as Doolipalally pointed out in his request for a list

Ah, I see, sorry Dooli, maybe I should read a little more carefully

No need to apologise!

(Interesting that there's nothing in a user's 'About me' to tell you their gender, as far as I can see...)

[spencer]

Now that you mention it Dooli, I always assumed that you were female...would you mind saying which is it? Maybe I recalled from the old forum what yours said, not sure. I am male, for the record, if anyone cares :)

[thingirl]

You could put it in your bio. And I thought that you, Joddelle, and I were all girls.

@ Spencer: I assumed that you were male :). As you can tell from my name, I'm a girl.

[racey]

No need to apologise!

(Interesting that there's nothing in a user's 'About me' to tell you their gender, as far as I can see...)

On my profile page under the about me tab I have a gender link

Membership status
AG subscriber
Gender
N/A
Biography
N/A
Location
Pennsylvania
Interests
N/A
Occupation
N/A

[shadowblack]

I can assure you that wasn't there a few minutes earlier, as I checked right after reading Doolipalally's post.

[paladin]

For the record I'm also a guy, although I may have put that in my profile.

[shadowblack]

A little reminder about the fate choices: Hand of Fate (http://www.sryth.com/ci.php?f_c=showinfo.inc&f_infoid=hof)

Of particular interest is this part:
It should be noted when making these marked choices that there are not any correct or incorrect selections. Each marked choice your character makes will have an effect on his or her fate somewhere along the line.

The selections you make when faced with marked choices won't negatively affect your character in any way, though your selections are likely to impact your character moving forward, often in unexpected ways.

[Oldschool]

Nice list Joddelle - I can't think of any others and you had a couple I had forgot about. Also nice reminder Shadowblack. Interestingly I found this post on the old forum and thought I'd pass it along - one originally posted by Shadowblack.

The Hand of Fate
The first in a series of mini-adventures/scenarios incorporating the "Hand of Fate" is now available in the city of Talinus. You will find it by selecting the "Adventures for this location" option.

More "Hand of Fate" scenarios are on the way, and some upcoming game adventures will also feature "Hand of Fate" choices.

[thingirl]

I can assure you that wasn't there a few minutes earlier, as I checked right after reading Doolipalally's post.

I think Havoc must be reading this and getting ideas ;)

[Young Ned]

Looked just now; Racey's "About Me" has a line that says "Gender: Male", but Dooli's "About Me" does not have a Gender line. Perhaps it depends on whether you actually selected a Gender when editing your profile?

[Joddelle]

Nice list Joddelle - I can't think of any others and you had a couple I had forgot about.

The Hand of Fate
The first in a series of mini-adventures/scenarios incorporating the "Hand of Fate" is now available in the city of Talinus. You will find it by selecting the "Adventures for this location" option.
Thank you. I believe that adventure, which was announced a few years back while PG-V was still in contruction, is "The Fireside Encounter"

[shadowblack]

Looked just now; Racey's "About Me" has a line that says "Gender: Male", but Dooli's "About Me" does not have a Gender line. Perhaps it depends on whether you actually selected a Gender when editing your profile?
Most likely. I selected my gender, so the line should be showing in my profile too.

Thank you. I believe that adventure, which was announced a few years back while PG-V was still in contruction, is "The Fireside Encounter"
Yes, that is the first adventure with a Hand of Fate choice.

[Doolipalally]

Looked just now; Racey's "About Me" has a line that says "Gender: Male", but Dooli's "About Me" does not have a Gender line. Perhaps it depends on whether you actually selected a Gender when editing your profile?

Mine now has a gender line which wasn't there yesterday. It says gender is non-applicable, which I think is appropriate so I'll leave it like that :)

Anyway, back on topic:

Here's what the GM had to say:

I read your message on the Tome of Attainment. It will be something like
what you described. At various intervals, based on a character's
achievements, or combination of achievements, a page will appear in the
tome. The page may provide information, a bonus, an item, access to an
adventure, etc.


I'm guessing that 'achievements or combination of achievements' might work something like the requirements for levelling up in the Border Guild, i.e. a mixture of levels required in different skills and powers, plus previous adventures completed and/or items owned.

[thingirl]

That's probably about right.

[paladin]

I wonder if it'll be like the Quickstone and be able to keep track of all you've done in the game up to the time you acquire it and reward you retroactively. I remember that when I bought my Quickstone for the first character of mine who was able to buy one, about three years ago this was, I already had a sizeable XP bonus waiting for me. So I'm wondering if, and hoping that the Tome will have that ability also.

[thingirl]

I could reach level 21 in Ogerdom naked, maybe. I start on 20 :p.

@ Paladin: me too.

[billydakid]

I killed all the goblins I let the kiddies ride the horsey though. I forget all my decissions other then Ihose though lol. I was proably a meanie and killed them though lol. Wait I let the guy at the ice adventure live. Wow did anyone really think those decissions would come back to haunt us or not. I never met the guy that enslaved people at the camp site though because by the time I was aware of that it was gone to be fixed and I don't think it's come back.

[thingirl]

Pretty much anything that gives you a choose on weather to kill someone of let them live, I let them live.

[Young Ned]

I do too, even though it was a difficult decision in the case of Spikefist. I figure you can never have too many people who owe you their lives... :cool:

[thingirl]

Yeah, in hindsight, I almost wish I had killed Spikefist.

[shadowblack]

The only one I killed was the Cave Troll. Oh, and what's-his-name for the 8 ATs. Everyone else I allowed to live.

[Joddelle]

Spikefist and Gamagryl died. All others have lived.

[thingirl]

Ultkin? I didn't think that was a fate choice. But yeah, I killed him too. 8ATs, come on, what's not to love? And yeah, he might help, but what can be the harm in 8 ATs?

[Joddelle]

I think he was talking abut the 8AT from Gamagryl in the "Killing Hand of Winter"

[thingirl]

Oh yeah, him. I think I took the other path.

[spencer]

Yeah, in hindsight, I almost wish I had killed Spikefist.

I whacked him and the Cave Troll in Tarn.

[thingirl]

Stone troll, I bonted.

[shadowblack]

I whacked him and the Cave Troll in Tarn.
The STONE Troll in Tarn wasn't a fate choice. The Cave Troll in the Cave Lair in Fogbough was (I killed both for the experience).

[thingirl]

I let the cave troll go. I didn't think it worth it to point out that Ultkin was a stone troll.

[spencer]

Ah, thanks for the clarification. Entirely too many trolls running around, if you ask me. I whacked both the stone troll in Tarn and the cave troll in Fogbough.

[thingirl]

You like whacking stuff, don't you.

[spencer]

Yep

[Joddelle]

Whack-a-troll.
the game troll-bonts were invented for

[thingirl]

Lol!

[Zedalion]

All right, pretty serious necro-threading here. Sorry about that. Still...

Indications are that the Tome of Attainment will be one of the next major additions to the game, and I am bursting with curiosity about what it will do. I'm assuming that it will be massively useful, on par with the Quickstone, perhaps?

I am wondering if anyone who's been around can talk about what the process was like when the Quickstone came out? Did the GM leak information about how it would function beforehand, or was it just available one day out of the blue?

There have been a lot of great suggestions about how the thing might work. I have my own best guess--and also my own personal wishes about what I'd WANT it to do--but I'd love to hear from everyone else.

Unless people are sick of talking about it?

[thingirl]

... I'm 'Spoilering' my guess, so that others can comment without being influenced by my ideas. :)

It will essentially be an Achievements system for Sryth, as first seen in Xbox Gamescores, and also becoming common in other games. Completing various tasks in the game will grant you an achievement, such as
* Scoring more than 1000 damage in one round in a multiplayer battle.
* Reaching level 30 of Lords of Ogredom with no weapons/armour equipped.
* Killing 100 Griffons
Each achievement will provide the player a nominal reward, say 1 AT or 1024 General XP.

Here's what the GM had to say:

I read your message on the Tome of Attainment. It will be something like
what you described. At various intervals, based on a character's
achievements, or combination of achievements, a page will appear in the
tome. The page may provide information, a bonus, an item, access to an
adventure, etc.

The tome will be somewhat costly to obtain, though not out of reach for
the average adventurer, and it will ultimately make up for its cost in
the bonuses and other rewards its pages will provide.

The "hand of fate" decisions that appear in various spots in certain
adventures will play a role in some of the pages that will appear in the
tome.

And I'm willing to talk about it :)

[Zedalion]

Wow, I missed that somehow. Clearly, I need to work on my paying attention skills.

Very cool. One would imagine that it will probably have more and more content added after it comes out, similar to the residences.

I wonder if the achievements reached will be obvious, or if we'll have to try things by trial and error until we stumble upon them? If it's the latter, good thing we have the forum!

[thingirl]

There will probably be hints.

[zmflavius]

It should be coming out soon. Didn't the GM say it would be released after a Seer in Shadow?

[paladin]

It should be coming out soon. Didn't the GM say it would be released after a Seer in Shadow?

He did, but what the GM sees as soon often varies widely from our concept of the word. We'll just have to see what happens.

[thingirl]

Yes, the GM's "soon" = maybe. His "later" = probably never. Where as "I'll add it to my to-do list" = no.

[spencer]

What does everyone think that the ToA will cost? My best guess is 64 AT...I do sincerely hope it is not more than that.

[thingirl]

Probably 128 without the token and 64 with.

[Oldschool]

I don't know but while we've discussed a possible discount with Tallys's coin before I haven't given a discount much thought until I read Thingirl's preceding post. Funny thing for some reason that got me thinking about the previous discussion that took place about Tallys implementing a loyalty discount card type program.....

Dunh dunh dunh..........

Perhaps Tallys or his handler surfs the forum..... :D

[smv1973]

I don't know but while we've discussed a possible discount with Tallys's coin before I haven't given a discount much thought until I read Thingirl's preceding post. Funny thing for some reason that got me thinking about the previous discussion that took place about Tallys implementing a loyalty discount card type program.....

Dunh dunh dunh..........

Perhaps Tallys or his handler surfs the forum..... :D


I wish there was a loyalty discount type program at Tallys. Do you think I would qualify for it if there was one?

[wetheril]

I don't know but while we've discussed a possible discount with Tallys's coin before I haven't given a discount much thought until I read Thingirl's preceding post. Funny thing for some reason that got me thinking about the previous discussion that took place about Tallys implementing a loyalty discount card type program.....

Dunh dunh dunh..........

Perhaps Tallys or his handler surfs the forum..... :D

*grins* Considering the color discussion that just preceded, I thought that was very appropriate. ;)

[wetheril]

I wish there was a loyalty discount type program at Tallys. Do you think I would qualify for it if there was one?

Yes. You and Elrond would be top of the list. You'd probably get the "silver" club card. ;)

[spencer]

Yes. You and Elrond would be top of the list. You'd probably get the "silver" club card. ;)


I would have to say that Thordon would probably win the frequent shopper reward :)

[Oldschool]

That's a rhetorical question if ever - lol.

The only problem Thordon might have with such a program is if it was like the old trading stamps - he'd probably overload coach with them to the point of collapse. ;)

[Elrond]

I recall that the GM indicated that the ToA would be affordable to the average player (my i.e. would be the QS or grand residence). And he's pumped quite a few free AT's our way since the first ToA announcement.

As to the Tallys Frequent Buyers Prize, I would be 3rd if the equipment ranking is any indication ;) .

[shadowblack]

My guess about the price has always beenn 128 ATs default, reduced to 32 if you have the coin. In any case I sure hope we get the Tome soon - I'm getting tired of waiting...

[Moria369]

I wish there was a loyalty discount type program at Tallys. Do you think I would qualify for it if there was one?
I know I would! - I am sure I paid enough to cover Tallys's September mortgage payment!

[Oldschool]

Tallys's building is open and there is a scenario associated with it.

[Oldschool]

Very nicely done adventure with some gratifying rewards. Definitely should whet ones appetite.

I came across one possible bug and "in-gamed" the GM.

The "boss" you fight is classified as Generic Monster.

Also the rewards are,

A bushel of combat xp and some nice general xp for clearing encounters. 512 xp for defeating the "boss". An exceptional axe, 4096 general xp and 256 AS&P for completion. Also 4 ATs and Tallys's Echoing Whisper:
Tallys's Echoing Whisper (Use)

* Class: Misc
* Encumbrance: 0

While not an 'item' in the true sense of the word, this object represents a special (and mystical) bit of battle lore related to you by the retired master adventurer, Tallys.

To make use of the lore contained in the whisper, select it from your list of items during combat. It may only be used in combats where the use of items is permitted.

Using the whisper in this manner will help to significantly reduce your enemy's Melee Rating for the duration of the combat.

The whisper will vanish from your memory after a total of 10 uses.

You may call upon the whisper 10 more times.
__________________________________________________ _

Looks like the GM is continuing on with his new type of items like the Wanderer's Bell - I like the tactical implications of these expendable items. Also found it interesting that the Whisper is "droppable".




EDIT:

As always a prompt response by the GM as the bug/typo mentioned above has been corrected.

[Badstench]

Currently battling through the forest outside Tallys's shop... hard going... because the server must be full. Connection is slow.

[wetheril]

I'm surprised the forum isn't that full of chatter about the new adventure, yet. I've been waiting eagerly for it to begin earlier today, but wasn't able to get around to doing it until now.

Like Badstench--only started bashing my way through the trees.

[Doolipalally]

I did have one thought about it:

I wondered if the fact that there was no reward for the use of powers against the thorn missiles was a hint that it might be better to dodge and save NV for restoration. After a couple of tree encounters Rhia just dodged, which given her bonuses and the fact that her powers had already failed a couple of times was probably more effective. And there were quite a few trees to battle through, so her NV would probably have run too low to restore towards the end.

[wetheril]

I did have one thought about it:

I wondered if the fact that there was no reward for the use of powers against the thorn missiles was a hint that it might be better to dodge and save NV for restoration. After a couple of tree encounters Rhia just dodged, which given her bonuses and the fact that her powers had already failed a couple of times was probably more effective. And there were quite a few trees to battle through, so her NV would probably have run too low to restore towards the end.

You are allowed to leave and come back anytime. There's a "rest" option at the entrance, which heals only SP. But yes, to make it go faster (and for less back-tracking), I conserved my NvR for healing.

[Doolipalally]

You are allowed to leave and come back anytime. There's a "rest" option at the entrance, which heals only SP. But yes, to make it go faster (and for less back-tracking), I conserved my NvR for healing.

True, I'd forgotten that. I've got used to ignoring rest options at the entrance!

[taproot97]

hey i got a really cool thought coming. MR. GM hinted that there would be a new power coming,most probably we can get it from here

[taproot97]

ahhhh............. i just hate the thorn balls

[billydakid]

Yup I was using my nv quite a bit when I got down to 10 I started dodgeing. Now haha to think I couldn't beat a bunch of walking trees. Those trees were firewood when I got through with them. I could have made a bond fire with those trees.

[spencer]

Another excellent adventure from our GM...

Did everyone have between 4 and 8 trees for each encounter with them?

[thingirl]

I don't like that you don't get any XP to the poer you use against the thorns. And yes, I tested them all.

[shadowblack]

Sounds like a fun adventure. I'll be sure to try it tomorrow.

[Doolipalally]

Another excellent adventure from our GM...

Did everyone have between 4 and 8 trees for each encounter with them?

No, I had 9 for one batch.

[thingirl]

My trees:

I've seen 4,5,4,6,7, and 9 trees.

@ Dooli: In your block of 9, how many threw thorns? In my block, only the first and last ones threw thorns.

[spencer]

As to the thorns, sometimes they were thrown and sometimes not, obviously...sometimes there were as many as three per tree and sometimes just one or two

[thingirl]

I know. But, 7 in a row that didn't throw any?

[Doolipalally]

@ Dooli: In your block of 9, how many threw thorns? In my block, only the first and last ones threw thorns.

Can't remember, I'm afraid - I did the adventure about nine hours ago!

[thingirl]

If I had done it 9 hours ago, I wouldn't have remembered how many trees I got.

[Doolipalally]

Well, the words 'whaddya mean, nine!!' kind of echoed round the room, so that was memorable.

[thingirl]

Ahh. Well, if I say something out loud up here in the school/comp room, it won't quite echo, but I will remember it. I'm the only one up here about 99% of the time. Unless you count the cat.

[Oldschool]

Well, the words 'whaddya mean, nine!!' kind of echoed round the room, so that was memorable.

Lol...... and I bet in the spirit of the moment you slipped and forgot to say that in Russian. :cool:

I've still to run it with the alts but I flashed back to all the discussion on tree types when Ashlyre, erm I mean Fang Ridge :rolleyes: , first went live. For the record I had five types - elm, oak, ash, beech and maple.

[shadowblack]

Wasn't the tree discussion in regards to Fang Ridge?

[Oldschool]

Wasn't the tree discussion in regards to Fang Ridge?

D'oh..... now that you mention it.

------------ EXCRUCIATING Groan forthcoming ------------------

Guess I couldn't see the forest for the trees. :rolleyes:

You were warned. ;)

[wetheril]

Wasn't the tree discussion in regards to Fang Ridge?

Yes, it was Fang Ridge.

[thingirl]

D'oh..... now that you mention it.

------------ EXCRUCIATING Groan forthcoming ------------------

Guess I couldn't see the forest for the trees. :rolleyes:

You were warned. ;)

That's bad. Reppable bad. (Actually, I'm cracking up.)

[Lightwielder]

Here is a speculation that I would like to throw out into the open.

"My dear fellow," he says, grinning broadly, "I can think of no other adventurer more worthy of the Tome than you! Well, if put to it, I can think of just one other, but he isn't getting one...no matter what."

Who do you think he means? Someone we know, or just someone that he used to know that we haven't met yet?

[thingirl]

I noticed that too. My guess is that it would be either Rokkie, Zum, or Solondor. Possibly someone else though...

[spencer]

Could he have meant...

Who was the Dreadstone dude with the amazing gear...?

[thingirl]

Thymbrak I think. Or something close to that. And that's probably it. I wonder if we'll have to fight whoever it is.

[spencer]

hee, hee, i hope so

[thingirl]

Let's see, I have 2 WBs, 10 Lores, the WoD, probably by that time the FoD... I just hope it doesn't damage the armor.

[paladin]

Let's see, I have 2 WBs, 10 Lores, the WoD, probably by that time the FoD... I just hope it doesn't damage the armor.

Or it could be Illiok the Brave, at least for those of us who subdued him. Marissa is among those. I'm interested to see if we'll encounter him again.

[thingirl]

Most likely not. It would be interesting to see him again, but he is very weak.

[wetheril]

Don't forget Barynbor as well. :)

[paladin]

Most likely not. It would be interesting to see him again, but he is very weak.

He may be weak but he's not likely to let the one who humiliated him get away with it. I'm not willing to bet we've seen the last of him unless the GM decides not to bring him back.

[Oldschool]

I'm guessing he is referring to Hurenon.

[thingirl]

I said in the ToA description that that person might have enchanted it.

[psychoadept]

Did anybody else notice in the course of the adventure that your stats screen wasn't resetting when you used a power? So you could keep using it without having to find it on the menu every time...?

[thingirl]

That was just you.

[cddanforth]

Here is a speculation that I would like to throw out into the open.



Who do you think he means? Someone we know, or just someone that he used to know that we haven't met yet?

rokmokkara maybe?

[thingirl]

Or Teek. Or maybe Rynduil is back. But most likely not. Hey, with the time-warp and all, did Rynduil even leave?

[zmflavius]

I am quite certain it is

Rokmokkara

Let's face it, he may be a jacka*#, but he's still an adventurer of great renown, has an inordinately high MR in our second meeting, but Tallys would have to be insane to give him the Tome. Or a copy of it.

[thingirl]

Yeah, it's probably him. Infact, he was my first thought.

[Oldschool]

Well it could be anybody already mentioned but personally I still think it is Hurenon since they seem to have a history.

Probably will be someone no one considers, a new entity altogether or just good ole flavor text.

[texlaw1992]

I'm not sure who Tally means, but we'll probably have to fight him or her before we can buy the Tome.

I went back to Barnabor hoping I could use Tally's gift to win. I forgot - can't use items. Oh well, back to the drawing board.

[billydakid]

Man I just want to get this thing quickly so I can spend my AT'S. They are burning a hole in my pocket.

[shadowblack]

I hope someone remembered to make a copy of the map for this adventure and will add it to the wiki...

[wetheril]

I hope someone remembered to make a copy of the map for this adventure and will add it to the wiki...

I can get the map down, Shadowblack. Don't worry about it. I still have 2 more characters to run through it, so I'll document it on my next run.

[shadowblack]

Great, thank you!

Anyone have any suggestions what to call this adventure? "The Creeping Wood?" "Tome of Attainment Prelude"? Something else? Since it is not named in the game we'll have to come up with a name for it...

[thingirl]

"The Creeping Wood" sounds nice. (Although, we might later have the same problem as with "Into the Cellar".)

[smv1973]

Great, thank you!

Anyone have any suggestions what to call this adventure? "The Creeping Wood?" "Tome of Attainment Prelude"? Something else? Since it is not named in the game we'll have to come up with a name for it...

I like "The Creeping Wood". Or how about "Tallys Creeping Woods"?

[wetheril]

Great, thank you!

Anyone have any suggestions what to call this adventure? "The Creeping Wood?" "Tome of Attainment Prelude"? Something else? Since it is not named in the game we'll have to come up with a name for it...

I'm fine with calling it The Creeping Wood. Afterall, the screen does say, "Enter the Creeping Wood..."

[Ole1kanobe]

I tried this new adventure at my lowly level, got to see the forest in spankter-vision... :eek:
Me thinks I might have to do a _few_ more quests before I attempt another feat of foolishness like that again. :o

[thingirl]

It's OK. Welcome to the forum, Ole1kanobe. Awesome name, even though it took me a second to get ;)

[wetheril]

I tried this new adventure at my lowly level, got to see the forest in spankter-vision... :eek:
Me thinks I might have to do a _few_ more quests before I attempt another feat of foolishness like that again. :o

Hi and welcome! I will agree that this adventure is probably not very easy to attempt if you haven't built your character up to a certain extent, especially if your SP is less than 100, since the trees' special attacks can hurt.

[thingirl]

(The ivisable duo :))

Don't forget the thorn balls. Those are a big owie.

[Ole1kanobe]

Thanks for the welcome; and yes, those thorn balls are a terrible thing, still trying to pick them out....

[spencer]

Thanks for the welcome; and yes, those thorn balls are a terrible thing, still trying to pick them out....



AAaaaannnddddd....we REALLY don't want to know where they all got stuck :)

Welcome to the forum and the game...hope your luck improves :)

[shadowblack]

Yes, the balls are annoying, ESPECIALLY if you get three by a single opponent, followed by 3 more by the next, and 3 more by the third, and... you get the idea. Good thing you can:
- leave and come back as many times as you want
- flee - the game remembers how many enemies you have killed, so you don;t have to kill the whole group at once

[shadowblack]

By the way, did anyone else get this:
The sudden sound of sliding stone in the darkness above sends your pulse racing. You glance upward just in time to see a shower of large rocks spilling down onto you out of the gloom overhead!
You leap forward in a desperate bid to avoid being crushed by the falling rocks...
You Must Now Pick a Random Number...
PICK
NOW
Reason: Pick a random number between 1 and 100.
Bonuses: Agility +20, Body +10, Woodsmanship +24
Total Bonus: 54
Success: You'll need to pick a number greater than or equal to 75 to succeed.

You've Picked a Random Number...
56 FAILURE...
You needed greater than or equal to 75 to succeed.
You picked 2 modified by 54 for a total of 56 .
The shower of heavy rocks rains down on you from above. You're struck several glancing blows, and one very large chunk of stone slams squarely into your back, driving you face first into the tunnel's earthen floor...
SP -37 You've lost 37 Stamina Points.
Despite having suffered serious injuries, you're still very much alive. You crawl out from beneath the rocks that landed on you and (with some discomfort) breathe a sigh of relief.
After collecting your wits, you hurry along the remainder of the dark passage.

What happens if you pass the check? I quit without saving in order to try passing the check, but the next time I entered the tunnel I got a Massive Carnage Crawler instead, like I did in the previous two tunnels.

[thingirl]

I think, and I might be wrong that if you fail the check you lose some SP, and if you pass, you get a Massive Carnage Crawler, who gives 256 (I think) general XP.

[wetheril]

By the way, did anyone else get this:
The sudden sound of sliding stone in the darkness above sends your pulse racing. You glance upward just in time to see a shower of large rocks spilling down onto you out of the gloom overhead!
You leap forward in a desperate bid to avoid being crushed by the falling rocks...
You Must Now Pick a Random Number...
PICK
NOW
Reason: Pick a random number between 1 and 100.
Bonuses: Agility +20, Body +10, Woodsmanship +24
Total Bonus: 54
Success: You'll need to pick a number greater than or equal to 75 to succeed.

You've Picked a Random Number...
56 FAILURE...
You needed greater than or equal to 75 to succeed.
You picked 2 modified by 54 for a total of 56 .
The shower of heavy rocks rains down on you from above. You're struck several glancing blows, and one very large chunk of stone slams squarely into your back, driving you face first into the tunnel's earthen floor...
SP -37 You've lost 37 Stamina Points.
Despite having suffered serious injuries, you're still very much alive. You crawl out from beneath the rocks that landed on you and (with some discomfort) breathe a sigh of relief.
After collecting your wits, you hurry along the remainder of the dark passage.

What happens if you pass the check? I quit without saving in order to try passing the check, but the next time I entered the tunnel I got a Massive Carnage Crawler instead, like I did in the previous two tunnels.

Yes, when you're going through the tunnels, right? The carnage crawler and the falling rocks are 2 separate events. But if you fail the checks, you lose some SP. And if it's against the carnage crawler, you have to fight it. (still have to fight it if you didn't fail check). If you pass, you just get across safely without losing any SP (for falling rocks).

[shadowblack]

I know all about the Massive Carnage Crawlers, including what happens when you pass or fail.

The falling rocks, on the other hand, I got only one time, failed the check and quit without saving to see what happens if you pass. But when I went to the tunnel again I got the Massive Carnage Crawler instead of the rocks. So I was hoping that someone has passed the test and can tell me if you get any exp reward for dodging the rocks (looks like you don't, if I understand wetheril correctly), or if it is better to fight and kill the crawlers for the combat exp. And if someone can copy the text - even better. :)

[wetheril]

I know all about the Massive Carnage Crawlers, including what happens when you pass or fail.

The falling rocks, on the other hand, I got only one time, failed the check and quit without saving to see what happens if you pass. But when I went to the tunnel again I got the Massive Carnage Crawler instead of the rocks. So I was hoping that someone has passed the test and can tell me if you get any exp reward for dodging the rocks (looks like you don't, if I understand wetheril correctly), or if it is better to fight and kill the crawlers for the combat exp. And if someone can copy the text - even better. :)

If you're looking for exp rewards for passing the check, there is none, IIRC. I'll paste text here if I get it again.

Edit: I did in fact get text for it.

You've Picked a Random Number...

143
SUCCESS!
You needed greater than or equal to 75 to succeed.
You picked 94 modified by 49 for a total of 143 .

You manage to throw yourself clear of the falling rocks. The shower of stones (many of them the size of small boulders) drops onto the floor of the earthen tunnel with a thundering chorus of reverberating thuds.

Thankful to have escaped what might easily have been instant death, you swiftly continue along the dark passage.

[wetheril]

Btw, are we in agreement to call the quest, "The Creeping Wood"? I have a map made that's ready for upload, but it has to be named after the quest.

[Elrond]

Btw, are we in agreement to call the quest, "The Creeping Wood"? I have a map made that's ready for upload, but it has to be named after the quest.

If we end up with a number of adventures that are pre and post ToA; then we might want to start a ToA series.

[wetheril]

If we end up with a number of adventures that are pre and post ToA; then we might want to start a ToA series.

That won't be a problem. :) Each of the quests in the ToA "saga" will have their own quest page. There will also be a page for the "saga" itself. Examples on the Wiki include The Giants (http://sryth.wikia.com/wiki/The_Giants), Dreadstones (http://sryth.wikia.com/wiki/Dreadstone), The Shattered Skull (http://sryth.wikia.com/wiki/The_Shattered_Skull), etc.

[texlaw1992]

The Tally Whacker (ha ha).

[shadowblack]

I've added the adventure to the wiki here (http://sryth.wikia.com/wiki/Quest:The_Creeping_Wood), as well as the item you get (http://sryth.wikia.com/wiki/Item:1606_Tallys%27s_Echoing_Whisper). Both have work left to do, but right now I'm busy with Tarn, so they'll have to wait.

[Oldschool]

The Tally Whacker (ha ha).

I like "The Creeping Wood". Or how about "Tallys Creeping Woods"?

Btw, are we in agreement to call the quest, "The Creeping Wood"?


I'm claiming texlaw1992's above post is the "inspiration" for this. Just kiddin' texlaw - your post helps set this up......

Keeping texlaw's "recommendation" in mind, what if we "hybrid" Wetheril's recommendation by dropping the the "S" off of smv's second choice and go with.....



Tallys's Creeping Wood............ :cool:

[wetheril]

I've added the adventure to the wiki here (http://sryth.wikia.com/wiki/Quest:The_Creeping_Wood), as well as the item you get (http://sryth.wikia.com/wiki/Item:1606_Tallys%27s_Echoing_Whisper). Both have work left to do, but right now I'm busy with Tarn, so they'll have to wait.

Walkthrough for The Creeping Wood (http://sryth.wikia.com/wiki/Quest:The_Creeping_Wood) on the Wiki is now finished.

[shadowblack]

Walkthrough for The Creeping Wood (http://sryth.wikia.com/wiki/Quest:The_Creeping_Wood) on the Wiki is now finished.
Thank you! I made a few minor edits. Now everything's there, except the exact amounts of Stamina lost for failing the various checks (and they are not really important).

[shadowblack]

Looks like the Tome may be available "soon". Hopefully it won't be after the other two mentioned updates.

[billydakid]

Hi SB according to the announcement the tome will be released after the 2 adventures expected to be released this week. The tome says hopefully by the end of November. I can't wait for that pg to be released. I'm excited now.

[jimyred]

For those who, like me, had not previously gotten Tally's coin for a discount on the Tome of Attainment, both of my characters just found him giving them away in Blade Square in Trithik.

Also, after I got the coin with my secondary, I visited Tally's and asked him if I was worthy of the Tome, and his reply was

Tallys peers at you curiously for a moment.

"You perhaps have just a bit more adventuring to get under your belt before I could, with a clear conscience, make the tome available to you," he says. "You're off to a solid start, though, but you must never relent."

Are there some prerequisites? I haven't finished a lot of the main content (7 Goblins, Bowl of Blood, Heir to the Flame, residence, Fogbough, etc), so if there are prerequisites there's a good chance I haven't done them yet with this character. I just don't remember reading anything about things needing to be done first.

[Moria369]

For those who, like me, had not previously gotten Tally's coin for a discount on the Tome of Attainment, both of my characters just found him giving them away in Blade Square in Trithik.

Thanks for the Tip, I was just at Tallys's trading up some 'stuff' and when to Trithik to save . . .

[wetheril]

Tallys peers at you curiously for a moment.

"You perhaps have just a bit more adventuring to get under your belt before I could, with a clear conscience, make the tome available to you," he says. "You're off to a solid start, though, but you must never relent."

Are there some prerequisites? I haven't finished a lot of the main content (7 Goblins, Bowl of Blood, Heir to the Flame, residence, Fogbough, etc), so if there are prerequisites there's a good chance I haven't done them yet with this character. I just don't remember reading anything about things needing to be done first.

Interesting. I didn't get that message from any of my characters, and not all of them are finished with the latest content yet. Of all my characters, Artemicia (http://www.sryth.com/p/?12f748cxce1b47a0c) is the most behind on content. Here's a list of adventures she has not done yet:

Available Adventures (10)
These adventures can be found under the "Adventures for This Location" link in the designated location. Adventures marked with a (*) are exclusively available to Sryth™ Adventurers Guild members.

* Hawklor
o The Seven Spheres*
o Underfoot
* Lake Ironrain - The Ironshore Hollows
o 7 Goblins, Part I: The Hills North and West
* Mirgspil - The Magistrate
o Tribwin's Trouble*
* Southfoot Region
o The Giants of Gallowtop
* Sylvanlyre Court
o One Sunny Morning*
o The Winds of Mount Stonejaw*
* Talinus
o A Dragon's Lair*
* Trithik
o Heir to The Flame*
o The Lists of Talwarden*
In addition to the listed adventures, she hasn't completed the Bowl of Blood, or finished Tzal-Toalth. (But she does have WoD and FoD.)

So unless there are more quests other than that list which you haven't done yet, I really don't know what the prerequisite(s) could be.

[Young Ned]

Maybe it's not based on which adventures you've done but on your current MR/SP levels? You might just need a bit more grinding to get yourself up to Tallys's standards.

[wetheril]

Maybe it's not based on which adventures you've done but on your current MR/SP levels? You might just need a bit more grinding to get yourself up to Tallys's standards.

You almost hit on my second thought. The other thing I didn't mention in my previous post had to do with whether or not you got all skills/powers. But since I don't have a character profile to base that on, I couldn't push it as a suggestion.

[shadowblack]

This (http://www.sryth.com/p/?15cc3d9xce1f5a5f9) might be jimyred's profile - in which case he has all skills and powers, and at high levels too.

[thingirl]

OK, If I'm reading this right, he has the Token (Almost typed Tolkien there :rolleyes:), but Tallys says that he won't give him the Tome.

My guess is that you have to complete The Creeping Wood. Because Tallys says in there "You are of the Age, <charactername>" Just throwing that out there...

[Doolipalally]

I just went and checked with one of my characters who hasn't done The Creeping Wood. If she asks Tallys whether he thinks she's worthy of the Tome she gets

"My dear lass," he says, grinning broadly, "I can think of no other adventurer more worthy of the Tome than you!"

So I don't think it can be that.

I think Young Ned might be right about the MR idea.

[jimyred]

This (http://www.sryth.com/p/?15cc3d9xce1f5a5f9) might be jimyred's profile - in which case he has all skills and powers, and at high levels too.

Hey, thanks for posting that, I was having trouble finding a link to my character profiles for my sig. That one is able to get it from Tally's, my secondary is the one that can't get it, but I think his stats are high enough, 128 MR 146 SP, all powers and skills except ones from Saangard. Wetheril, I still have to do all of those quests, plus Saangard Isle, finishing Ashlyre to get into Fogbough, and a lot more (21 available) I also haven't done any of Tally's quests, maybe thats it? I'll keep checking back with Tally's and see what I do to finally be up to his standards. Thanks for your ideas!

[wetheril]

Let us know when Tallys finally gives you the "okay". :)

[paladin]

He said Marissa was worthy right from the get go. So now I guess I just gotta hold out till then...

[thingirl]

Hey, thanks for posting that, I was having trouble finding a link to my character profiles for my sig...

I can help with that :) Go to your character's profile by clicking the button from the stats pane. Scroll up to the top of the page and copy (highlight then ctrl + c) the entire link (http:// included). Then go to edit your siggie and click the link button (the one with a picture of the Earth with a chain on it) paste (ctrl + v) the link into the box and click ok. Then some text will be highlighted, it will be the same as the link. You can delete that and make it your own text (aka, your character's name). Hope that helps :).

Oh, and here's an example: [U RL="http://www.sryth.com/p/?faeadexce168e89e"]Alanne[/URL]. typed without the spaces in the [], it becomes Alanne (http://www.sryth.com/p/?faeadexce168e89e).

[Oldschool]

If it's not as has been suggested based on levels whether it be stats or skills/powers. Perhaps (but unlikely) it's based on rankings. More likely all of (for lack of a better word) Tallys's content. Obviously the Missing Hilt and Creeping Wood but I'm also thinking about the bags in Fogbough.

[Young Ned]

I only completed the quest for the bags within the last few days, and I'm sure he told me I was qualified for the tome long before that.

[Oldschool]

Good to know Young Ned even if that disproves my theory. Further tips the scales towards a level requirement not content. Will be interesting to see what it is.

[texlaw1992]

How about the Eye adventure from Tarn as a trigger? That's also a Tallys adventure.

I didn't know Tallys would refuse anyone. On the other hand, Tallys told me that I was the only person he viewed as worthy to get the Tome except for one other. I think he's shining on all but one of you.

[Young Ned]

Okay, confirmed it. Young Ned has barely even started the bags quest, and he got the "I can think of no other adventurer more worthy of the Tome than you!" answer. He hasn't done "Heir to the Flame", either, though he has done just about all the older content.

Edit: Ned hasn't done "The Eye That Binds", either.

Edit 2: Or "The Creeping Wood."

[Oldschool]

Good to know Young Ned even if that disproves my theory. Further tips the scales towards a level requirement not content. Will be interesting to see what it is.

Well I guess we can put the theory back on the burner then. Nice post Texlaw as I kept thinking there was another adventure linked to Tallys but couldn't find it on the wiki. However, I should say that I didn't search the wiki much outside of "Tallys".

Edit: If the "Tallys" theory holds true it may be that the specific quests are the only prereqs and the bags may not be included.

[wetheril]

"The Eye that Binds" isn't exactly a "Tallys adventure" in the sense that some of the other Tallys Adventures are, even though Tallys is the one you have to talk to in order to trigger it (kind of like how you have to talk to Thymbrak in order to trigger the Dreadstone adventures, but I wouldn't consider it "Thymbrak adventures" so to say...).

[Oldschool]

Good point Wetheril in that the adventure link isn't located at Tallys's like the Missing Hilt and Creeping Wood. I'm assuming (dangerous ground yes) that is what you mean in that it isn't a Tallys's adventure.

However, if certain adventures are prerequisites the Eye that Binds could well qualify. The bags may or may not considering their "mechanics".

[wetheril]

Good point Wetheril in that the adventure link isn't located at Tallys's like the Missing Hilt and Creeping Wood. I'm assuming (dangerous ground yes) that is what you mean in that it isn't a Tallys's adventure.

However, if certain adventures are prerequisites the Eye that Binds could well qualify. The bags may or may not considering their "mechanics".

Yeah, currently the Tallys (http://sryth.wikia.com/wiki/Tallys) page doesn't have either "The Eye that Binds" linked, neither does it link the "task" of retrieving the three heavy empty bags from Fogbough Forest. (Those are listed as Trithik Adventure, and Fogbough Forest exploration.) I'm wondering if there should be mention of it though on the Tallys page.

[jimyred]

Ok, so now I am "worthy" to get the tome, and it changed immediately after I finished clearing out Tally's creeping wood. However, this was the first thing that I did for him, since I guess once you ask him about the woods the missing hilt adventure is not available until after you finish clearing the woods. So maybe it's just you have to complete an adventure for Tally's so that he can see firsthand that you are a worthy adventurer.

[Oldschool]

From Young Ned's post it seems safe to assume :rolleyes: that character has at least done the Missing Hilt.

I'm a little lost on the shematics so to speak but I got the relevant Tome text from Tallys before I even undertook the Creeping Wood quest.

[billydakid]

i got the you are worthy text first to.

[jimyred]

From Young Ned's post it seems safe to assume :rolleyes: that character has at least done the Missing Hilt.

Actually I hadn't . . . I kinda got things backwards . . . So I'm thinking it's just you have to do a task for Tally's. Which for most normal people will be the Missing Hilt :)

[Young Ned]

Yes, Ned did "The Missing Hilt" ages ago. I think that's probably it, you have to complete one of Tallys's tasks to be considered worthy. Kind of an egocentric definition of "worthy" he has, but what the hey...

[Oldschool]

Although our reputations precede us, aside from a probable customer/client relationship he really doesn't know us until we deal with him as such.

[Young Ned]

Good point.:cool:

[texlaw1992]

I'm not sure why this did not occur to me earlier, but because the Tome makes clear reference to the goblin totems, perhaps having one of the totems or tokens is a trigger as well.

[zmflavius]

I'm not sure why this did not occur to me earlier, but because the Tome makes clear reference to the goblin totems, perhaps having one of the totems or tokens is a trigger as well.

where???

[texlaw1992]

The description of the face of the Tome seems to make clear reference to the goblin totems. We had a discussion about it earlier in one of the threads (perhaps this one).

[zmflavius]

The description of the face of the Tome seems to make clear reference to the goblin totems. We had a discussion about it earlier in one of the threads (perhaps this one).

It just refers to goblins. It really is in all likelihood not connected to the totems in any way. Wasn't that the general consensus then?

[thingirl]

Yes, he was the one who brought it up, and he is the only one who clings to it. But, you never know, he could be right... It's not likely, though.

[taproot97]

we are waiting MR. GM ..............................

[zmflavius]

we are waiting MR. GM ..............................

It's the end of November, don't push it.

[scout1idf]

It's the end of November, don't push it.
Did you mean the beginning of December? (Today is 12/02/09)

[zmflavius]

Did you mean the beginning of December? (Today is 12/02/09)

oh yeah. Right.

[billydakid]

taroot=impatient. I'm glad we're working on the pg the pg is really good now.

[taproot97]

I havent unlocked the pg as well AND taroot=impatient. I'm glad we're working on the pg the pg is really good now.

[texlaw1992]

So where is it? I need some attainment!

By the way, 300th post.

[paladin]

So where is it? I need some attainment!

By the way, 300th post.

No kidding! The GM said it would be available the end of November and we're well into December now. Hope it doesn't take much longer.

[Elrond]

So where is it? I need some attainment!

By the way, 300th post.

No kidding! The GM said it would be available the end of November and we're well into December now. Hope it doesn't take much longer.

Not that the GM has been idle since then. He's given us some unprecedented updates and prizes, which have made me almost forget about the ToA :)

[texlaw1992]

Obviously the GM, to his credit, has been active in giving us new adventures. However, I think the Tome has been promised since May (and I wasn't even around then), then after "A Seer in Shadow," then ... well, you get the idea.

Since I've completed everything Sryth has thrown at us that far, I figure I (as well as others) have attained quite a bit. Maybe the GM will put the Tome in everyone's stockings for the holidays. Oh yeah, that won't help me, so just leave it at Tallys for the New Year.

[Oldschool]

While it's still too early (imo) to classify as a loose end (http://www.srythforum.com/showthread.php?t=223&highlight=loose+ends) it appears to be in danger of becoming a dangling thread.

[Oldschool]

Well with the very generous Christmas bonus of 64 ATs that further fuels my speculation that will be the cost of the Tome. Especially since that is also the cost of the "grand" (Faramdyn the real estate shylock is more like it ;)) residences and the quickstone while now slightly higher had the same cost originally. IF so as with the residences and quickstone I'm sure it'll be a worthwhile purchase.

I'm also really hoping that this is the case and that means we'll attain the Tome of Attainment soon.

[texlaw1992]

Still, Tallys' Copper Coin may lower the price to 8, 16 or 32 ATs.

Hopefully we'll find out soon.

[Oldschool]

Ah yes I'd forgotten about that :rolleyes: which makes perfect sense.

[Arik]

I'm guessing it will cost 128 AT and 15,000 gold without the copper coin, and 64 AT and 10,000 gold with the coin.

[taproot97]

I'm guessing it will cost 128 AT and 15,000 gold without the copper coin, and 64 AT and 10,000 gold with the coin.

Now thats accurate. LOL

[Elrond]

I'm guessing it will cost 128 AT and 15,000 gold without the copper coin, and 64 AT and 10,000 gold with the coin.

You either:

have divination 100 and you used it without failure
are the GM
have information from the GM
Or are wrong

Hmmmm .... which one will it be? But in any case, you're repped for the effort!

[Young Ned]

I'm guessing it will cost 128 AT and 15,000 gold without the copper coin, and 64 AT and 10,000 gold with the coin.
Now thats accurate. LOL.
Technically, that's precise, not accurate. Accuracy has to do with how close it is to the actual value -- but the actual value is not known yet, in the case of the Tome. Precision has to do with how specific the value is, and how many significant figures are given.

For example, if you guess that something you want to buy will cost $3 and it costs $3.01, you weren't very precise but you were pretty accurate, because you were only one cent off. If you guess that it'll cost $105.37 and it actually costs $19.99, you were a lot more precise (five significant figures instead of one) but very inaccurate.

[texlaw1992]

When I started reading the posts, I assumed from the use of "accurate" that:

1. The Tome was finally out; and

2. Arik guessed the price exactly.

Having gotten over my disappointment at the lack of the former, we shall wait and see on the latter.

[Arik]

Elrond: Sorry, my divination is a mere 71. ;)

[taproot97]

LOL repped YN

[Lightwielder]

Unfortunately, I do not have Divination. I asked John Ardin, he doesn't have it either. So I just sit in the dark, waiting for it, and simply glad that I have the copper token.

Although, it may be that we're looking at this wrong. Maybe the token, instead of reducing the price, removes the gold cost and makes it only cost AT, or something like that.

[scout1idf]

......Although, it may be that we're looking at this wrong. Maybe the token, instead of reducing the price, removes the gold cost and makes it only cost AT, or something like that.

With any luck, it will remove the AT cost and only leave a gold price......

[paladin]

With any luck, it will remove the AT cost and only leave a gold price......

I do sort of wish the GM hadn't given us a time when it would be out though, seeing as we're now several months behind LOL. He said the end of November and it's now January. Hope it won't be too much longer.

[zmflavius]

The GM had mentioned that the tome was sort of like a book of achievements.

Wouldn't it be hilarious if it came out and most high-level characters had already finished most of the achievements?

[Arik]

I do sort of wish the GM hadn't given us a time when it would be out though, seeing as we're now several months behind LOL. He said the end of November and it's now January. Hope it won't be too much longer.

I completely agree.

.
Technically, that's precise, not accurate. Accuracy has to do with how close it is to the actual value -- but the actual value is not known yet, in the case of the Tome. Precision has to do with how specific the value is, and how many significant figures are given.

For example, if you guess that something you want to buy will cost $3 and it costs $3.01, you weren't very precise but you were pretty accurate, because you were only one cent off. If you guess that it'll cost $105.37 and it actually costs $19.99, you were a lot more precise (five significant figures instead of one) but very inaccurate.

My estimate wasn't that precise. Here's precise: 16 AT and 40,000 gold with the token, 48 AT and 60,000 gold without the token, Diplomacy can lower the cost by 8 AT and 30,000 gold; requires completion of the adventures "A Bunch of Attainment" and "I Really, Really Hate Tzaril."

[texlaw1992]

I'm assuming that those of us who have completed everything Sryth has thrown at us should get a huge xp bonus from the Tome of Attainment. Here's hoping that I'm right.

[Elrond]

In a very good way, the GM has made grumpy old me forget about loose ends, incl. ToA! As long as the GM keeps chugging our updates and new content at this rate, he can wait on the Tome as long as he wants. PG VI is great and I look forward to playing it out. I've warmed up and am ready to go against the IO (allegedly immortal orgre; but really idiotic ogre) Runeskin; Fogbough has tons of potential; and a certain "precioussss" on a gnarled finger in Tarn is also attracting my attention!

[paladin]

A huge EXP bonus would be nice but somehow I rather doubt that. I wouldn't complain of course, might mean I could get Slashing the five levels I have to go before I've completely mastered it.

[smv1973]

1/11/10

The Tome of Attainment
Behind the scenes, work has continued on the Tome of Attainment and it is expected that this grand artifact will be available at -- or just before -- the end of January.

A description of the Tome, including an overview of how it will function, will be made available in the next couple of days.

The Tome is a grand item that's in a class by itself. This ancient, arcane text will offer both reward and adventure to those souls bold enough to attempt to learn its secrets.

[Arik]

1/11/10

the tome of attainment
behind the scenes, work has continued on the tome of attainment and it is expected that this grand artifact will be available at -- or just before -- the end of january.

a description of the tome, including an overview of how it will function, will be made available in the next couple of days.

The tome is a grand item that's in a class by itself. This ancient, arcane text will offer both reward and adventure to those souls bold enough to attempt to learn its secrets.


:d:d:d:d

[paladin]

:d:d:d:d

Must get tome...

[thingirl]

*Breathe in, breathe out* I shall not worry about this book. It's importance is of minimal value to me. I shall not worry about this book. The best way to deal with loose ends is simply to forget about them. *Breathe in, breathe out*

(Yes, I am OK. The reason I haven't gone crazy by now is that forgetting about loose ends works.)

[texlaw1992]

I have the xp, the ATs and the gold for the Tome. Bring it on.

[billydakid]

Oh don't get to excited about it until it actually comes out. I'll believe it when it comes out. Until then off to other adventures that i'm sure will come out before it.

[texlaw1992]

Well, from the GM's message it looks like the Tome will allow us to replay many of the adventures we have completed. I think the chapters indicates the adventures will be those in a series (such as Seven Goblins, Giants, etc). Maybe we'll finally get a chance to do all the intro adventures.

I assume they'll be tweaked a bit though, at least in the way of rewards - not that it wouldn't be fun to replay them with our current characters, but for those of us who have completed all the current adventures up to now, they'd be way too easy. It would be even more interesting if they were sequels, but considering the number of chapters the book is likely to have, I don't know if the GM could have the time to make up that many new adventures.

Now I'm really looking forward to getting the Tome.

[Doolipalally]

Well, from the GM's message it looks like the Tome will allow us to replay many of the adventures we have completed. I think the chapters indicates the adventures will be those in a series (such as Seven Goblins, Giants, etc). Maybe we'll finally get a chance to do all the intro adventures.

I'm intrigued, cos you seem to be reading this completely differently than I did. Which bit made you think we'd be able to replay adventures?

Looking through the news update, the only paragraph that strikes me as relevant is the one that says:

"Adventurers do not need to be in possession of the Tome at the time they complete the adventures/events that will unlock its chapters. The Tome knows what you've done -- for better or worse. Upon acquisition, it will unlock all appropriate chapters for that adventurer, based upon what he or she has accomplished to that point."

I still don't read that as saying that you'll be able to redo adventures. It seems to me to be saying that whatever we've achieved so far will be applied retrospectively. How are you interpreting it?

[billydakid]

I agree it wouldn't make snese to play them over. It doesn't sound to me at all like we'll have to play them over. It sounds like we'll get credit for what we've already accomplished. Texty put down the beer you've had to many lol.

[texlaw1992]

I read the announcement to mean that once you've completed a scenario like Seven Goblins, that chapter unlocks in the book such that it is either a replay of all or part of the scenario or (hopefully) some sort of sequel. Given the quantity of chapters in the Tome (given that the GM is putting a limit on the number of chapters we can do per day), I think the GM would have to reuse some of the older scenarios to have enough material. Still, maybe I'm reading too much into the announcement and it's all new material or some sort of repetetive scenario like the Ice Goblins where we have to power up the Tome after each chapter for an MR, SP or NVR bonus.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to it.

[taproot97]

Nice perception texlaw . Hope it comes soon

[scout1idf]

I took it as getting to re-play old content as well.

The easier stuff doesn't make sense if you already have high levels but that's how I read it.

I was actually looking forward to maybe re-playing the first 5 PG's.
I rushed through the first 2 or 3 without really paying attention to the story. I was just after the rewards.

We'll see, soon I hope.........

[Elrond]

The Tome of Attainment
The Tome of Attainment, a grand artifact with a value well beyond estimation, is an ancient book long believed to be the product of dark goblin magic.
The Tome is divided into chapters and each chaper is made up of one or more separate parts.

As adventurers progress through their adventures, their accomplishments (and different combinations of their various accomplishments) will unlock chapters within the Tome.

An adventurer in possession of the Tome of Attainment may (from any SAFE location) press his or her hand onto the pages of an unlocked chapter and be instantly transported into the tale.

Completing each of the invdividual stages of a chapter will earn adventurers a reward. Completing a chapter in its entirety will earn another reward. Completing a chapter stage and/or an entire chapter can also unlock new chapters within the Tome.

Adventurers do not need to be in possession of the Tome at the time they complete the adventures/events that will unlock its chapters. The Tome knows what you've done -- for better or worse. Upon acquisition, it will unlock all appropriate chapters for that adventurer, based upon what he or she has accomplished to that point.

There will be a limit to the number of chapter parts that can be completed on a single calendar day -- such is the nature of the mysterious and powerful Tome.

More details soon!

From the above "bold" parts, I understood that the Tome is linked to other adventures and is not exclusively independent in its adventures. The Tome works "retrospectively" when acquired.

I don't know if that translates into "replaying" old adventures; or if it is just a fancy improvement of the Adventure Log with rewards.

[Oldschool]

Well I'm with Dooli and Billy but I'll admit Texlaw and Scout could be right.

But I'm also wondering how much IF any of the previous content will be a part of the Tome's pages. By previous I don't mean what we have necessarily completed but what was in-game and available BEFORE the Tome goes live.

If more than a small amount old content is applied retroactively the Tome will have quite a few already unlocked chapters. Being realistic and keeping the update rate in mind I'm not sure about "old" content.

Unless and here's what I'm thinking as a possibility which is along the lines of what Texlaw and Scout posted. Really close to what Elrond mentions.

Maybe the old stuff is refired but not as an actual adventure where we fight and click but more like a retelling of sorts in a narrative type fashion.

Also what about future stuff? Is he just going to rehash everything - I dunno.

I'm thinking that none of the previously available content will figure in except for maybe stuff that's still continuing (Runeskin for example) since it has future "chapters" in the works.

Of course I could be way off - we should know soon enough.

[Young Ned]

To me it sounds like the adventures you complete, or have completed in the past, unlock chapters of the tome, and each chapter tells a separate part of some tale -- a single, continuing tale, that stretches through the whole Tome. And each chapter itself is a mini-adventure, the completion of which gets you some experience or reward.

If so, no wonder it's taken so long to complete the Tome -- that's a lot of new content! And presumably, new chapters will be added every so often, as new adventures are added to the game. Though I doubt it's on a 1:1 ratio -- one chapter for every adventure you complete -- as there've been quite a few adventures already.

[shadowblack]

I'm with Young Ned ofr the most part, however there's one thing I disagree with - I think each chapter will be a separate story, and each part of a chapter is a mini-adventure for us to complete. Though the different stories might be connected with one another.