Server limit

[Choson One]

Mod Edit: This thread contains several similar and merged threads. This should explain any continuity issues with this thread. Also there are other mod edits/posts indicating when separate threads were merged.

This thread deals with the free or non AG server which has a limited number of slots.

The original unedited post remains below.



What is the Server Limit? It seems I can't play anytime during the day in weekend, and possibly in the middle of the day. So what is the Server Limit? And do you have any plans on making more servers?

[zmflavius]

Only a limited number of free players can be logged in at the same time. When the server is full, no more free players can log in. Of course, if you're AG, then you get 24-hour login.

[thingirl]

And the GM isn't prone to reading the forums. And the Game is his sole source of income, so the more AGers, the better. It is unknown what the server limit for non Agers is.

[Zmeya]

MOD EDIT: Merged this thread and a few other similar threads including the 3 previous posts from a separate thread. Original post remains below.



For the past 4 days, I've been trying to log into my game account, but have been unable to due to server overload. Yes, I am a free player,and I do understand that there are limited servers for free accounts. I do have reason for writing, though, if you bear with me.

Server overload first started happening to me four days ago. It says try again later, which is what I do, to no avail. I have tried logging in late at night and early in the morning when I believed there would be less players on, but that didn't work either. So, I decided to test it.

I made a new account under another e-mail of mine, then tried logging in with that one, and guess what I got in. I then logged out and tried to log into my original account, but, again, it didn't work. I then repeated the process of logging in with both accounts over the next few hours. The new account got in every time, and my original one did not due to full servers.

I have a few different conclusions as to why my experiment resulted in this way.

1.) New accounts have priority over older accounts.

2.) I have horrible timing and logged into the new account when there was space but somehow could not do so for my original account.

3.) This is a wicked way to force free accounts to pay for upgrades.

I have planned to upgrade to be an AG member in the near future, but I haven't because I wanted to complete all the quests and such available to Non-AG players. In short, I feel victimized because I cannot log in to progress my developing character, yet I am able to log in to a brand-new account whenever, even though it is not the true account of a loyal Sryth player.

So, am I being victimized, or is there some special reason for not being able to log in while others can, or have I misunderstood something?

Please, no comments similar to, "Stop whining and buy the membership," I have stated why I have not done so and am simply looking for answers to my questions, insight from other people who have had the same problem, and opinions from people who have an idea of what's going on.

I thank you for taking the time to read this and for helping me sort this out.

Good luck with your gaming :)

[darkrkngl]

One of the things is to also make sure you save and quit correctly as I've had times where saving and quitting didn't disconnect me, as I logged in later that day to have it say it was already in session. So if someone with a free account were to close the window without properly quitting it would leave them logged in and thus taking a spot from other free players.

[Oldschool]

Welcome to the forum Zmeya.

I don't think you're being victimized - it just doesn't fit the GM's style. He continues to develop non AG content. Granted not at the rate of AG stuff as he has to make a living. Still the last CHRISTmas limited time bonus benefited both AG and non AG characters which speaks for itself in my opinion.

We have some long standing non AG players with developed characters - TG and Scarbrow's free accounts and Sianna Dey come immediately to mind. Although from fairly recent posts I'm wondering if Sianna Dey may run a non AG character on an AG account.

Any players with "developed" characters on free accounts having similar troubles?

Which brings me to a point Zmeya. If you want to run a non AG character you can still do so on an AG account as you can "upgrade" a non AG character to AG status on AG accounts. Another side benefit is that you wouldn't lose any xp gained as a non AG.

And a tip on AG account creation if you decide to upgrade. If you upgrade to AG within 3 days of account creation you get an Adventurer's Pack bonus to one character. Many folks, including moi, "restarted" with a totally new account to take advantage of that bonus.

Again it's unlikely (totally imo) that there is a mechanic to try to force developed non AG characters/accounts to upgrade.

Maybe the forum "rule" about posting and changing luck will kick in and your log in woes will disappear.

Again welcome to the forum and good luck.

[thingirl]

Well, I haven't been actively trying to get on with my free account. However, the little bit that I've tried, I haven't succeed. So you're not alone. :)

Also, I think that's an interesting goal you have. However, you would be better served by trying for everything except 7 goblins IV and up. Because Edanust had completed everything except 7 Goblins. Then she started that and did I and II and III after a few tries. And then several months later she's still stuck on IV. Only after some seasonal boosts (both permaboosts and big XP) is she at the point of almost being able to do it if she had really good rolls. Also IIRC, Sianna Dey only completed VII last year after playing for several years. And even then you might want to start a new account and upgrade it to get the bonus. :)

[Zmeya]

Thanks for the feedback :)

@ darkrkngl

Ah, I didn't know that. :S I admit that I do close the browser without properly logging out first, but I'll be sure to change that (If I'm ever able to log in again, hahah) Thanks for pointing that out. :)

@Oldschool

Thanks :D I can tell you've been on this site for awhile, so I appreciate you taking the time to help a newbie out :P


@Thingirl

Glad to know I'm not alone :)

I think I remember reading about the goblin series somewhere, but I think I have quite a few things to do before I encounter its beginning in game. It does sound challenging though, thanks for the heads up! :P

[Zmeya]

Any other players out there that are constantly unable to log in?

In the mean time, the test account is still able to log in, while my original account isn't, but I will keep trying. :)

[texlaw1992]

If you're still having trouble, email the GM - he may be able to fix it.

[Tetracapillactomist]

Hello, and welcome to the forum, Zmeya.

Well, another player did come to me with the exact-same issue and an identical test, months ago - same results as well, so you're definitely not alone.

And as I came up with the same possible causes and conclusions as you did, Zmeya, I suggested he tests to see whether the situation persists, is constant and consistent (so as not to jump to the wrong conclusion hurriedly), then suggested the same thing as Tex - letting the GM know, and asking for his input and help. (I also suggested that he posts about this issue and his concerns in open forum, but I know for a fact he didn't do that - else people wouldn't be asking 'has this happened to others?')

It's certainly something that deserves to be addressed, so I wish you better luck than you've had recently.

[Zmeya]

That's a good idea, but how do I contact him? :S

[Oldschool]

You can email him at

gamemaster@sryth.com

or you can send him an ingame report lower right corner of the game screen.

If you do so from the other account (the newer one that's not been having the trouble) make sure to mention that it is another separate account and give the username/email for that account.

I mention this to avoid confusion as the in game reporting system (if I understand it correctly) self generates the account/username and email of the account that it's sent from if I'm not mistaken.

Good luck.

[Zmeya]

Thanks for your help everybody =D

My issues have been resolved, for now lol ^_^
I remain perplexed as to why the different accounts couldn't both log in, but I'l be happy with what I have.

Thanks again ;)

[Tetracapillactomist]

Whichever way it happened, I'm glad it's settled. :)

[Matticus99]

I have a free account that is about 2-3 weeks old, but it seems to be locked out of playing because the free version is full whenever I log in almost any time of day.

My friend just started his free account today and started playing around the same time I wanted to, but I couldn't get in. Is this a bug on my account?

[Oldschool]

Welcome to the forum Matticus99.

Well there are only a limited number of free slots, but in light of your mention about your friend not having a problem I'm reminded of a very similar thread from a while back.

I'll go off to necrothread a bit and will link it or merge this thread with it if I find it. Hopefully it won't take too long.

MOD NOTE: Merged this post and the previous which were actually in a separate thread to an already existing thread and left a one week expiring redirect.

[Oldschool]

BUMP to make sure Matticus sees this as edits don't show as new. I'll remove this post after a bit and I merged two similar threads and will add a mod edit to my post above. In light of my subsequent rambling I'll leave this post intact.

Matticus if you're reading this merges list chronologically so the older posts will be in front of yours.

IF I recall correctly and in light of your experience it seems new(er) free accounts may have some precedence.

However let me clarify as a light bulb just went on for me and I've been very dim lately so....

From personal experience as I've had a few "free" test accounts if you create an account it seems you are guaranteed a login but if you log out of it the free server limitations apply.

I say this because I've sort of tested it. I was trying to test something else with one of my free accounts and could not login. I created a new one and logged in and tested it but when I logged out I couldn't log back in with either free account.

I'd test it but my free accounts have been deleted/purged for quite some time.

If your friend is still playing from the time they created that character and not from a subsequent session I'd say that's the issue not what is SPECULATED above as from what I can recall nothing was confirmed either way.

Now I'll go back through the thread so my memory isn't so hazy.

Again welcome to the forum.

EDIT: It should be noted that the experience I relate above re: a new and old account was quite some time ago, well before either the original post or the latest one.

[Raestloz]

The same thing happened to me for the past week, perhaps 10-12 days, I can only log in for about every 4-5 days, else it's full

Yesterday and today, however, I managed to log in without any problem

In addressing the issue, however, I'd like to know about how long can we stay logged in without doing anything (i.e. leaving the page as it is without clicking anything, probably because the boss is coming), as I've experienced forcibly logged out after I left my BlackBerry for an extended period of time (around 1-2 hours) and can't log in

The game still recognizes me if I leave it alone for about 30 minutes. I've experienced having to leave my BlackBerry for some time, click on "travel" and leave it again (I was in a hurry) and when I came back, the game is still on

So, I don't think that not quitting properly will consume space (as the account will be forced to log out), but then again it's possible that the account is logged out, but the server doesn't check it properly, causing it to think that the account is still playing

But still, won't that mean an improperly logged out account can continue playing (due to the fact it's still "playing")?

[Scarbrow]

The game disconnects idle players after a while, but it's usually a long while. In fact, if you close your browser without logging out, most probably you'll find a "you have a game in progress" screen when you open it again.

However, I think all accounts are disconnected at the server reset time.

By the way, does somebody remember at which time the server resets? I can't recall right now.

EDIT: I've found 9pm US Pacific Time on the wiki. Can somebody confirm?

[Tetracapillactomist]

I thought was certain it was 12 AM North American EST.

[Oldschool]

Well if we're talking about the server day (12 midnight Eastern US time) which I think you both are both are correct as Pacific time is 3 hours behind Eastern.

[Tetracapillactomist]

D'OH!!! I completely missed the 'PST' reference in his post... geez... :o

(Thanks, OS, for that humbling experience... Kidding. :) My fault. :))

[thingirl]

Welcome to the Forum, Matticus99!!!!!

Umm. I don't really know, I haven't really timed it. But is Seems to me that with me non-AG account, I'll go for long stretches without being able to log in, and then suddenly I'll be able to log in almost every day, then some time late back to no time. It might have something to do with the actual time of day, but IDK.

@ Raestloz: I think I read somewhere that non AG gets kicked out after 24 hours. But it might be at Server reset. It's possible (though unlikely) that it's related to your using your phone and not a computer.

Server reset is 12:00 AM Eastern time, which is 11:00 PM Central time, which is 10:00 PM Mountain time, which is 9:00 PM Pacific time. :)

[Tetracapillactomist]

Matticus99?! Whoa... completely missed that. And so has everyone else?... [edit] No, but I sure have. :)

(Nice catch then, TG... :))

Yes: hello and welcome to the forum, Matticus!

Hope your luck with logging in improves.

[Oldschool]

And since we have an international membership with some help from the following,

http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/time-zone/usa/eastern-time/eastern-daylight-time/index.htm

And here's a GMT converter for folks that might find one handy - thanks to Raestloz's post.

http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/gmt-converter/

which may be a good site for folks outside the server time zone that are concerned with server time to bookmark/favorite.

The server is in the Eastern U.S. time zone which is why it's set to Eastern U.S. prevailing time which translates to,

Eastern Daylight Saving Time (EDT) is GMT -4 (what we're currently observing at the time of this post).

Eastern Standard Time (EST) is GMT -5

The differences in the above being (at the time of this post) is that Daylight Saving Time runs from 2 a.m. (local time) on the second Sunday in March to 2 a.m. (local time) on the first Sunday in November). If it's outside of these dates Standard Time is observed.

Edit: And a doffing of the helm to folks outside the server time zone especially those outside of the U.S. that are able to keep up with the server time and a a flourish to that doff to folks that have to keep up with more than two.

[Raestloz]

@ Raestloz: I think I read somewhere that non AG gets kicked out after 24 hours. But it might be at Server reset. It's possible (though unlikely) that it's related to your using your phone and not a computer.

Server reset is 12:00 AM Eastern time, which is 11:00 PM Central time, which is 10:00 PM Mountain time, which is 9:00 PM Pacific time. :)

I live in Indonesia, GMT+7. I tried to translate the hours to my time zone, but my brain overheated during the process lol

No wait... if 12:00 AM is EST (which is GMT-5), then I just have to... add 5 to get to GMT and then add 7... and it's 12:00 PM?

I'll try logging in right after 12:00 PM and see what happens :D

[Oldschool]

Never even considered figuring the math Raestloz which gives me more respect for folks able to keep up with it.

But this should help which I'll also add to the original post,

http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/gmt-converter/

EDIT: Just tinkered with that and that seems a lot easier as in my 'bliss' :rolleyes: I never really thougt about folks having to figure the difference between the two GMTs.

Edit2: Oh and I've found that when doing what I consider complicated math equations that taking my shoes off has multiple uses. It gives me ten more digits to work with and it helps dissipate that heat. And if things get real bad those shoes help dissipate stress as well when thrown and/or slammed at high velocity. ;)

[Oldschool]

I live in Indonesia, GMT+7. I tried to translate the hours to my time zone, but my brain overheated during the process lol

No wait... if 12:00 AM is EST (which is GMT-5), then I just have to... add 5 to get to GMT and then add 7... and it's 12:00 PM?

I'll try logging in right after 12:00 PM and see what happens :D

Actually 11 am the same day according to the converter above. But it seems your math was right but you need to use GMT -4 instead of -5 as the server is in Daylight Saving Time currently.

[Tetracapillactomist]

I live in Indonesia, GMT+7. I tried to translate the hours to my time zone, but my brain overheated during the process lol

No wait... if 12:00 AM is EST (which is GMT-5), then I just have to... add 5 to get to GMT and then add 7... and it's 12:00 PM?

I'll try logging in right after 12:00 PM and see what happens :D

Here's an idea, Raestloz: what version of Windows do you use? (assuming it's Windows you use...)

I know in Win 7 you can set 3 clock to run on different time zones.

I don't remember, don't know whether XP or Vista allows the same...

Set your main clock to your time zone (i.e., leave it as is, I guess), and set the secondary or tertiary time zone to NA EST (New York, etc.).

That's it... next you hover your cursor over 'Windows Date & Time,' you'll see two (or three) clocks: 'Local time,' 'Clock 1,' and 'Clock 2.' Set them to show day as well (Mon, Tue, &c.), and to automatically adjust for DST, and forget your worries forever. Hover, check, go. :)

(Well, I can only hope XP and Vista have options for multiple time readouts, as I can't check right now.)

[Young Ned]

I know in Win 7 you can set 3 clock to run on different time zones.

I don't remember, don't know whether XP or Vista allows the same...

Set your main clock to your time zone (i.e., leave it as is, I guess), and set the secondary or tertiary time zone to NA EST (New York, etc.).

That's it... next you hover your cursor over 'Windows Date & Time,' you'll see two (or three) clocks: 'Local time,' 'Clock 1,' and 'Clock 2.' Set them to show day as well (Mon, Tue, &c.), and to automatically adjust for DST, and forget your worries forever. Hover, check, go. :)

(Well, I can only hope XP and Vista have options for multiple time readouts, as I can't check right now.)
I never even knew Win 7 did until just now. Thanks!

[Tetracapillactomist]

You heard of Dows 8) ?

[Raestloz]

After spending some time observing Sryth, I come to the conclusion that the GM pulls a fast one every so often, to encourage people to join AG. That, or the system is just so poor that I can come to that kind of conclusion

Points in my observation:
1. Properly quitting disables log in
- This happens everytime I quit. Basically, the server becomes full the instant I quit, even if I just quit 2 seconds ago and is clicking "play" this second, effectively causing me to think again about joining (or just leave Sryth). I can understand bad luck, foreign countries tend to have lightning fast internet, but I see a pattern after the 3rd bad luck, the 3rd "2 seconds to log in time window" luck

2. Free accounts can only play every 2-3 days
- While it's perfectly possible for the server to be running all the time as there's always a part of Earth where it's 9 AM, it's a bit hard to believe that the server is always full all the time, especially since I can see a pattern. It's either this, or the server creates a special spot for an account that hasn't been playing for 3 days even if the server is full, new-account-first-time-playing-exception style

3. Free accounts are forced to log out every so often
- This has happened every time I play, and not in a predictive schedule. I often find myself proceeding to Hawklor only to find the log in page. Most of the time, I can play again right back, but sometimes the dreaded "server is full" page comes out instead. Yesterday I come across a problem in which the game window is blank, effectively disabling navigation and forcing me to quit (and the 1st point appears again)


Note that I understand if my observations are true. He needs money to live, and marketing gimmicks have been around for as long as humanity knows money. It's just that kinda hard to enjoy playing when you can only play every 2-3 days

[Scarbrow]

Sorry to hear of your problems, Raestloz. I understand it must be very frustrating not to be able to play. However, don't underestimate the power of bad luck. Random events have frustrated other players in the past to no end. Not to mention spending endless days replaying just to get Creyn Blade, or even worse, when the 90-minutes time was active on Haunting on Durnsig, having to wait for a week or more to get the item you wanted.

I can't help you from the technical point of view. I can only advise patience, or better instead, become AG and join in! You won't regret it.

[Young Ned]

3. Free accounts are forced to log out every so often
- This has happened every time I play, and not in a predictive schedule. I often find myself proceeding to Hawklor only to find the log in page. Most of the time, I can play again right back, but sometimes the dreaded "server is full" page comes out instead. Yesterday I come across a problem in which the game window is blank, effectively disabling navigation and forcing me to quit (and the 1st point appears again)

Can't speak to your other points, but both these problems are just random bad luck. I've been AG since about a week after I first started playing, and I've had both these things happen to me as an AG player. With any internet game, sometimes packets just get lost or corrupted in transmission and weird glitches like these happen. (Trust me, the more you learn about TCP/IP processing, the more miraculous it seems that any data packets ever make it to their destination.)

[jninjacash]

How about that I can't log in for a whole day because it always says there is too many free accounts online at the same time? Can you help me with that? I know the goal is to force people to pay for an AG membership... and I was thinking about it, but to refuse someone to play their account for a whole day is inconsiderate and rude.

[Scarbrow]

Short answer: no we can't help you.

Long(er) answer: We know it's frustrating when you can't log on. However, the game deserves to be paid for, it's quite cheap, and the free part is just a small subsection of all that there is to play. Since you are frustrated because you can't access your account, I understand you've already tested and liked the game. So it's your decision: pay for a guaranteed access, or deal with the current limitations.

[Doolipalally]

Just wanted to add that this game how the GM earns his living, and he puts a lot of effort into it. So while I appreciate that it can be frustrating if you can't get access to the free content, I don't think it can really be considered 'rude'. There's so much we can do for free on the internet that I think we sometimes forget that there are people who work hard to provide that content, and that none of these people are under any sort of obligation to give us anything at all.

[Oldschool]

Welcome to the forum jninjacash and good luck.

Also just a note as I started to add thread tags I realized we had several similar threads so I merged this existing thread consisting of the three previous posts with a similar thread that was larger (which had a previously merged thread) as well as merging it with another older shorter thread which now leads the thread.

Left two week redirects on the merged threads and added some additional tags.