Character Gold Cap

[shadowblack]

Character Gold Cap
A cap on the maximum allowable amount of gold a single character can accumulate will be implemented in the next few days.

The cap will initially be set at 1 million gold. A character will not be able to acquire more than 1 million gold.

Characters who already possess wealth in excess of the gold cap may retain it, but will not be able to acquire additional gold until the amount they possess drops below the cap level.

Looks like the Cap is finally here. 1 Million isn't that bad, unless you want to spend several millions experience at once.

I wonder if the cap applies to stored gold as well? I'll send the GM a message asking about this.

[smv1973]

I think the limit is to low. Maybe it should be your character can't carry more than 1 million in gold.

[thingirl]

Maybe it could be 2 or 3 or even 5 million. And the raffle is designed to be a gold sink.

[Joddelle]

You can no longer store gold, at least the links are gone for now.

And yeah, the raffle is obviously the GM's generous way of getting us to drop our gold hordes.

[smv1973]

You can no longer store gold, at least the links are gone for now.

And yeah, the raffle is obviously the GM's generous way of getting us to drop our gold hordes.

I just saw that when I went to Trithik to take out and sell the higher value items that I have stored there.

[psychoadept]

You can no longer store gold, at least the links are gone for now.

It never made any sense to me to be able to store gold, anyway, since it doesn't encumber you.

[Havoc]

Once upon a time, in the days of yore, when the world was young and horses had not yet been invented...

There used to be encounters in certain regions where you could essentially get pickpocketed. Then having a safe place to store your gold made sense. Also, dying would cost 1/4 of the gold and xp that you had on you.

[Joddelle]

There are still some places where you can loose all your gold (and in at least one of them, all your items, including the enchanted map)

1) if you actually lose a brawl in the dinsdale or while saving the barmaid's honour
2) if you lose a non-lethal fight in the Rendezvous at The Gnarled Otter.
3) if you get beat up in tavern during "A Midday Encounter"

[thingirl]

That's when you quit w/o saveing.

[billydakid]

1 mil gold is way to low. I think it should be like 5 mil cap. I think i'll go gold shopping until the gold cap is put in place.

[Lightwielder]

Well, think about it. Realistically, your character would not be able to carry around a huge bag filled with gold coins. It would be way to heavy. If you think about it, realistically, 1 million is way too high.

A gold cap makes sense.

[thingirl]

RP wise, it should only be 100k. But game wise, you can only HAVE 1m. That's probably about right.

[Joddelle]

Roleplay wise, you have the money in investments, stored in coffers, etc.

Game mechanic wise, it's a number on your character sheet

[thingirl]

Well, after you get about 5k, yes. Below that, there are training costs to think about.

[billydakid]

I drink my milk I can lift anything lol. including over a million bucks in gold. Besides I only have 1.3 mil Now if you want to take that point of view that a mil is enough to carry around ok but let us store the rest of our gold in storage. I have no problem with that. Maybe create a bank.

[Badstench]

This post is a direct copy from "The Ring of Mayhem".

I looked at the message from the GM about a cap on gold and thought, "well, he obviously views this as being an important aspect of game balance".

Having access to multi millions is nice, but it isn't really relevant. I was ranked #4 on the gold list.... not any more.

First thing I did was level all the skills and powers that qualified without spending any general XP, which turned out to be quite a few. I then went and spent my remaining millions on the raffle tickets.

I have no illusions about the chance of success, but this is second to the desire to play the game as the GM envisions it.

The next part of this monologue is conjecture; I'm only guessing at the reasons why we're now restricted to a maximum of 1 million gold pieces.

The GM talked about game balance. What does this mean when quantified against the amount of gold we have?

This is a tricky conversation that entails thoughts of fantasy gaming against real world mechanics, and especially when you consider what money was worth in medaeival times.

Did you ever play Dungeons & Dragons? The money was sorted into copper, silver, gold and platinum denominations. If you correlat this to real history or well known fantasy tales...

Copper was the currency of the masses. Silver was traded between the middle classes (merchants and storekeepers), gold was held by the clergy and the nobles. If you wanted platinum, you had to be royalty or fantastically accomplished adventurers.... or a dragon.

The fact is, economies can be destroyed by a sudden over-abundance of wealth owned by the majority of citizens. If everyone has a million bucks, for example, then a million bucks won't actually buy you much, because its value isn't important.

Back to how this effects gaming in the world of Sryth: quite frankly, it doesn't.

So, what's my point?

My point is to accept the GM's ruling for reasons that I can't answer except to acknowledge that he is the final adjudicator. I don't honestly see the difference between having squidzillions of gold against any amount less... unless... and this is where I get a little bit cynical... he wants to slow down the rate at which players level their characters toward legendary status.

Ooer! I feel like I've just voiced heresy!

Regardless, I've now depleted my gold reserves to less than 1 million.

[thingirl]

Thanks for saying it was a coppy, and I agree.

[billydakid]

Yeah but why go to less then a million now. He said we can keep what we already have. so Havic can keep his 37 million.

[psychoadept]

Back to how this effects gaming in the world of Sryth: quite frankly, it doesn't.



This was my thought, too. In some games there's an advantage to having millions of gold. In Sryth, the only thing you get is bragging rights. Even at high levels, you don't use so much gold to level up that the cap really makes a difference. The only thing this is likely to affect is the rankings, because everyone who has reached the cap will have the same ranking in gold. Only those who already had more than the cap will have any advantage there.

[thingirl]

Yeah but why go to less then a million now. He said we can keep what we already have. so Havic can keep his 37 million.

But he can't get any more.

EDIT: Psyso, you ninja'd me.

[billydakid]

lol but with 37 mil he doesn't need anymore lol.

[thingirl]

True. But now there are 4 prizes being offered, so he might want 3,600,000 tickets. (I so called that.)

[Almathea]

I don't think the GM will use gold as a ranking factor once the cap is introduced, will he? I mean, what's the use of a stat in which dozens of people are tied for first place?

[thingirl]

Still, 1m is alot. I would estimate that only about less than 10 people have that much.

[Doolipalally]

Still, 1m is alot. I would estimate that only about less than 10 people have that much.

Given that yesterday I was ranked #11 in gold with a total of about 3,880,000 I'd say it was quite a few more than that.

[thingirl]

OK, how do you people get that kind of gold?

[Doolipalally]

OK, how do you people get that kind of gold?

Um, about a year's worth of grinding!

[thingirl]

Griding is a pain. With that said: Grr, why don't I grind that much. Repped for your amount of the sinny.

[Doolipalally]

Thanks, but for my amount of the what???:confused:

[thingirl]

Gold= the sinny.

[Joddelle]

My guess is "shiney" as in gold.

But then, I've stopped reading thin/fat girl posts so my typo guess-o-meter may be off.

[thingirl]

I hope he changes me back after I get back from the botanical gardens (even thought I won't leave for probably another half hour.) Go read the shameless bragging thread.

[billydakid]

I grind a lot never got that much gold. esp when you have to use it to train.

[thingirl]

I have about 1k now.:o

[Elrond]

Up till now, I'm resisting participation in this raffle. The way I see it is that the gold cap is acceptable. And I have no objections.

However, I worked hard to earn the gold; and I do not want to gamble it away. I sent a suggestion to the GM asking for a guaranteed return for my excess gold. One of the suggestions was rennovations for the dwelling.

I hope the GM finds this plausible.

[thingirl]

Me too.

[scout1idf]

If gold is still ranked after the cap goes into place, I hope that 1,000,000 and above is equal to being ranked #1. Otherwise no one will ever beat the current leaders. That in it's self is unbalancing and unfair.

[thingirl]

Well said and repped.

[Hastifer]

The mechanics would suggest that those with gold above the gold cap eventually (like at the speed of glaciers) will spend their gold. As they spend to train, re-equip at Tallys, etc, they remove gold from their pot, and they can't recup the gold until they get below the cap.


It'll take years though, I'd think.

[thingirl]

But, they will probably stick around that long ;).

[Havoc]

The Gamemaster arrives in a puff of smoke and tells you that he has some adjustments to make to your character record...

Adjustments to your GOLD...

GOLD + 3,222,785 You've acquired 3,222,785 gold tokens.

When you are finished...

* Please continue...

More tickets for me! This was to balance an equal amount of gold that I'd lost quite a while back, due to a bug.

[thingirl]

What bug?

[spencer]

More tickets for me! This was to balance an equal amount of gold that I'd lost quite a while back, due to a bug.


Oh joy....did you notice all of those cartwheels that I turned when I read that?
:D

[Havoc]

The bug is that you can only deposit upto 16,777,215 gold in any one dwelling. For the mathematically inclined, that's (2^24 -1).

So, when I deposited my second 10 mil into my dwelling, only 16,777,215 showed up, instead of 20 mil.

Unfortunately, this was in a dwelling won as a prize during the Festival of Blades, which auto-saves your character on depositing or withdrawing items or gold. So I couldn't just quit and reload. I'd written to the GM then, and he's promised to correct it, but apparenty forgot. I'd never had the need for the money, until now. :)

[Joddelle]

He must of fixed the storage cap back then, because Durnsig and Trithik haven't had that limit recently. I tested it back when I first got to 16.8M, and the game let me store over 2^24.

(I was thinking that would be a limit because of a post you made in the old forum.)

Nonetheless, I kept exactly 16,777,215 gold tokens in each dwelling because - why not?

[thingirl]

The fact that (and I'm useing a calculator) you had 33,554,430 gold stored is well, :eek:

[shadowblack]

See this post (http://www.srythforum.com/showthread.php?p=6829#post6829)

[thingirl]

Now Alanne really hates me.

[smv1973]

Looks like the gold cap is in effect now. I just got this message in the Battlegrounds.


Your total gold is already at the maximum allowable amount (1,000,000).

[Elrond]

Looks like the gold cap is in effect now. I just got this message in the Battlegrounds.


Your total gold is already at the maximum allowable amount (1,000,000).

I have a few million stored in Durnsig; and I only have 23K gold in-hand. And my gold counts keeps going up with the tinkrets. So the cap isn't limiting my hoarding! Yeah!!!!!!!!!!!

[smv1973]

I have a few million stored in Durnsig; and I only have 23K gold in-hand. And my gold counts keeps going up with the tinkrets. So the cap isn't limiting my hoarding! Yeah!!!!!!!!!!!

I would think that is a bug. I could be wrong but you may want to ask the GM.

[Joddelle]

I have a few million stored in Durnsig; and I only have 23K gold in-hand. And my gold counts keeps going up with the tinkrets. So the cap isn't limiting my hoarding! Yeah!!!!!!!!!!!

And here I'm stuck carrying around my paltry 34,397,032 gold tokens

[Elrond]

I sent the GM the following message:

Hi,
Some players are saying that the gold cap is enforced. But I have 23K gold in-hand and my gold continues to accumulate despite a few million hidden in Durnsig.
You didn't read that .... forget that I said there was a bug ... Elendil can keep Smauging more gold, Lol....
All the best,

[Oldschool]

Lol.... Elrond. Repped for the laugh and for your honesty in posting and reporting that to the GM.

[Elrond]

Hmmmm .... I just visited my Durnsig dwelling and my stored millions automatically jumped out of storage and into my "in-hand" gold. I quit without saving and the gold is back in Durnsig!

I can still hoard gold if I wanted to; and with my current in-hand at 33K, I can keep going without a visit to Durnsig till I hit the cap! What to do?

[Joddelle]

Dang! Tons of gold tokens jumping at you? That would be scary-freaky!

I don't think what you do matters that much in the long run. What difference does a million more-or-less make?

[Elrond]

I don't think what you do matters that much in the long run. What difference does a million more-or-less make?

Spoken like a true multi-millionaire! Lol .....

The only difference it would make is in a raffle where tickets are priced in gold!

[Young Ned]

Yeah, but what are the odds of that happening?? ;)

[Oldschool]

Well since the cap's been put into effect I was wondering about certain encounters. Since Hawk is over the cap, albeit by a marginal amount, I thought I'd post this.

The dying imp howls in agony as its decimated body shrivels up and disappears before your very eyes. All that remains of the creature is a small cloth bag it was carrying.

You open the bag and dis cover that it contains a fair amount of gold.

GOLD + 75 You've acquired 75 gold tokens.


Your total gold is already at the maximum allowable amount (1,000,000).

Without further delay, you once again set off on your way.

Since my paltry excess won't help me IF we have another gold lotto and in light of the above as well as the training cost tweak it looks like it may be time to buy that full set of unmatched plate and/or a few imbuable weapons.

[Oldschool]

From the WoB Raffle thread,


Ecthelions still sitting in second place on the gold rankings but is now drawing perilously close to falling below the gold cap. Just curious how much gold it takes to be in the #1 spot.

Which I took to be directed towards Shadow who probably sits in the number one spot.

So BC and SB how much gold is in those hoards?

But keep this in mind, I'm not positive but I'm thinking that there may be empty ranks from characters off the HoC. Magical comes immediately to mind and I'm thinking there are some other possibilities as well.

Anyone sitting right on the cap? If so what's your ranking? Can't recall Hawk's ranking when he got back up there, but I'm thinking there are a handful of active players still hoarding over the cap besides BC's and SB's.

And for the rest of you folks over the cap how much gold do you have and what's your ranking?

Here's my current numbers,

Character|Gold Amount|Gold Rank
Hawk|899,371|13th
Voltan|106,678|63rd
Virago| 105,052|64th
Esoteric| 100,893|67th

Seems it's time to grind 'em all a bit to get Hawk back up to the cap. And I like the alts to sit around 120k or better. I'll take the Halloween delay as an opportunity to grind some as I haven't done hardly any (any iirc) since Hawk got back up to the cap.

Also anyone interested in "gold talk" doing a tag search for gold or gold cap will list several threads as well as possibly a thread title search for gold. Also tag searching hoard or any variant will yield some threads.

[Young Ned]

But keep this in mind, I'm not positive but I'm thinking that there may be empty ranks from characters off the HoC. Magical comes immediately to mind and I'm thinking there are some other possibilities as well.

Anyone sitting right on the cap? If so what's your ranking? Can't recall Hawk's ranking when he got back up there, but I'm thinking there are a handful of active players still hoarding over the cap besides BC's and SB's.

And for the rest of you folks over the cap how much gold do you have and what's your ranking?

Here's my current numbers,

Character|Gold Amount|Gold Rank
Hawk|899,371|13th
Voltan|106,678|63rd
Virago| 105,052|64th
Esoteric| 100,893|67th


I never did enough grinding to get any of my characters to a million gold, so the gold cap has never affected me. Ned was my richest character, because I had him for a long time before creating any other ones, but I think his peak gold was somewhere around 800K. Nowadays Storel has the most, mainly because I haven't been playing him at all; he hasn't even started renovating his residence, which is where a lot of Ned's money went. Kermit's the only one participating in the pumpkin contest, so his gold will drop sharply the next time I water...

Character|Gold Amount|Gold Rank
Young Ned|58,253|91st
Storel|71,343|unranked*
Kermit|28,046|111th

*Due to lack of play.

[scout1idf]

Scout's not far from the cap.....

Character|Gold Amount|Gold Rank
Scout|-949,375|-# 7
Ulric|-21,050|-# 115
Allura|-15,324|-# 121
Arabel|-3,852|- # 132

[spencer]

Can someone explain to me one more time how people are allowed to have more than 1,000,000 gold when the cap is 1,000,000? By definition, here, "cap" equates to "maximum."

[Blackcrowe]

Yes the answers simple-

Some of us are the GMs favourites and we get special treatment.:p

Just kidding!
The cap was actually put into place as a cap on earnings not a cap on the amount held. Therefore any gold you accumulate that would take your total beyond 1 million can't be added. I suppose the GM implemented it that way so it didn't seem overly harsh on those who had spent a long time scavenging to stockpile their riches and then see them all wiped out.

When I departed from Sryth (pre-cap) I was sitting on about 3 million. (I'd stopped picking up anything except unmatched quite some time before or would have been quite a lot higher still). Once I came back I discovered the cap was in place so any time theres a gold reward I don't receive it (and don't receive anything for selling items) but any time I spend gold it comes off the total.

I've now got under 1.1 million left so will be joining the majority of players beneath the cap shortly.

[dman2life]

I usually sit with less than 1k.

[Oldschool]

Kudos BC as I don't think I've ever heard it put in such a "short and sweet" fashion.

The cap was actually put into place as a cap on earnings not a cap on the amount held.

And I agree that I think the GM was trying to be fair in regards to not wiping away folks cap excesses.

Also I imagine if it weren't for the gold raffles there'd be more characters hoarding over the max. It seems obvious the GM implemented them to encourage folks to get below/at the cap.

Gold raffle wiki pages and associated forum threads.

http://sryth.wikia.com/wiki/Tallys%27_Raffles/Raffle_of_the_Rings

http://www.srythforum.com/showthread.php?t=353

http://sryth.wikia.com/wiki/Tallys%27_Raffles/The_Skull_and_Bones_Raffle

http://www.srythforum.com/showthread.php?t=545

[dman2life]

I just looked. Rain Edge has 70 gold period.

[psychoadept]

My characters are always scraping the barrel. I only grind for essentials and contests.

[texlaw1992]

For the residence accessories, I made sure to keep my gold around 700k.

However, since February I've done zero grinding and my gold is currently less than 100k.

I do have some unmatched items in storage though, so I shouldn't be evicted anytime soon.

Then again, aside from Racey, woe be the landlord who would try (lol).

[scout1idf]

From The Ring of Mayhem Raffle.....


For Scout......

You currently possess 204,860 tickets for the raffle.


His gold has been reduced to...... 800,002

I didn't want to drop it to low just in case something big would come up and not get to far away from the 1,000,000 GP mark.

With the upcoming gold cap, why not......

What did he need the 2,048,600 in gold for anyhow?


He didn't win...

[spencer]

That's what I don't understand. I thought that the point of the ring of mayhem raffle was to get everyone down to 1,000,000. Then some players asked if there might be another raffle like it later and decided to hoard the rest. To me, a cap is a cap. It means you can't have more than that.

[scout1idf]

That's what I don't understand. I thought that the point of the ring of mayhem raffle was to get everyone down to 1,000,000. Then some players asked if there might be another raffle like it later and decided to hoard the rest. To me, a cap is a cap. It means you can't have more than that.

I see your point, but I don't think it would have been fair for anyone above the cap to sacrifice their hard earned gold.

The GM probably figured that eventually the gold would be spent down below the cap.

I'm guessing that's why we can still use gold for most raffle's....

[spencer]

Maybe I just misremember. I thought the intent was to get everyone under 1,000,000 and then a bunch of people whined about it and the GM relented. I am going to let it go as it really does not matter. I am ready for the next challenge.

[Blackcrowe]

I see your point Spencer but I think the gold cap is another example of the GMs style of doing things. Even when making changes to the game he generally avoids doing things that will impact negatively with the players.

After a limit was decided on he elected to allow people over that limit to spend the gold they had accumulated but not replenish it rather than arbitrarily remove it from them.

Obviously, being away for 2 years I didn't know about this raffle till I've just read about it now but bearing in mind that I'm ranked #2 and have around 80,000 over the million I suppose that the number of players who may have hoarded gold after the raffle was either minimal or they've spent it on something else in the meantime.

EDIT: Double Ninja'd. Crikey!

[Oldschool]

Well I think there may have been opposing forces at work which affected the GM's plan and eventually stalled it.

Personally, I think he did intend to get everyone under the cap. And at the same time I think he wanted to be fair and give those over the cap something (if even a chance) for their hard ground gold instead of just vamoosing it.
.
Specifically thinking of the gold raffles and the extra dilemma the GM probably incurred from complaints stemming about folks well in excess of the cap buying the pot(s). I know there was a bit of "heat" on the forum, so I'm thinking the GM got similar feedback.

I think the first raffle was unlimited, the next had a 500k cap then no more till recently.

Not trying to stir it back up as I think and hope everyone would share Spencer's take on it.

EDIT: Maybe I do think too much. ;)

[spencer]

Thanks for the reasoned, civil responses everyone. I do agree that the GM listens to his players, probably better than any other game designer around and for that, I am very grateful.

[dman2life]

We need some kind of bank... Then, all your extra gold can go there, and you keep only up to a mil on you.

[Badstench]

Judge Fury was one of those ultra-rich dudes and, man, did he kick up a hullabaloo when the gold cap was introduced... he organised protest rallies, threw bricks through the windows of the building with the blue door, ranted atop the soap box for endless hours, etc etc.

But in the spirit of the GM's intent, Fury acquiesced to the new regulation. It helped that he won one of the Rings of Mayhem, which, in his humble :rolleyes: opinion, is still the best ring in the game. If he hadn't won a ring after purchasing more than 9 million tickets, Fury might've done a lot worse than throw bricks!

[Oldschool]

We had gold storage in days of yore, but it was removed when the gold cap went live. Actually, folks that had (have?) gold in storage in Durnsig or Trynd Keep had (have?) it automatically transferred to their characters on leaving their residences.

And re: alternative gold storage, http://www.srythforum.com/showthread.php?t=852