Varkyn's Trick Ring or Dragonwing breasplate

[taproot97]

what to take from a haunting ?????????????????????????????????

[psychoadept]

I suggest consulting the wiki (http://sryth.wikia.com/wiki/A_Haunting_in_Durnsig) and deciding for yourself, but of those I'd go with the breastplate. Don't overlook the Nimble Boots, though. The Plate Boots have the same SP as Nightsong.

Also, could a mod move this to the help forum? Thanks!

[taproot97]

are the nimble boots helpful

[psychoadept]

Yeah, the dodge ability is unique and useful.

[Havoc]

I'd probably go with the Dragonwing Breastplate for the short term benefit.

[shadowblack]

Also, could a mod move this to the help forum? Thanks!
Moved. :)

[zmflavius]

I suggest that you take the trick ring if you plan on donating, and the breastplate if you don't.

[scout1idf]

Go for the ring. The AT's come in handy, not to mention the XP.......

[thingirl]

The "Best" items are:
Dragonwing (MR +3, SP +16, [Aura, Body, Mind, Might, Spirit] +3)
Warlord's helm (OK, maybe not- only if you plan on taking Iakor's Wristband.)
Nimble boots (Plate. The dodge ability is AWESOME!)
Trick Ring (up to 32 (16?) ATs and I forget how much XP.)

I took Dragonwing and still use it. Although, now I wish I had taken nimble plate boots.

[psychoadept]

Go for the ring. The AT's come in handy, not to mention the XP.......

Yeah, but can you get something better than Dragonwing or Warlord's Helm for those ATs?

[zmflavius]

Yeah, but can you get something better than Dragonwing or Warlord's Helm for those ATs?

Probably no, unless you donate.

[thingirl]

No, you can't.

"optimum" non donating, non raffle winning, AG stuff (jewelry and weapon not included):
Iakor's Crown
Dragonwing (or Nightsong is you took nimble boots)
Nightsong sleeves
Dragongem gauntlets
UM plate belt
Nightsong leggings
gold/ Platinum banded Warboots (Or nimble if you took them.)
Cloak of the Wanderer.

Of course, if you won a raffle, you have a slot covered and if it replaces a Tallys item, then you have more free ATs.

[Elrond]

I suggest that you take the trick ring if you plan on donating, and the breastplate if you don't.

Seconded! The breastplate is an awesome free piece of armor. I wore it till I started donating and got some of Tallys' best gear.

[Joddelle]

Joddelle is still wearing the Dragonwing Breastplate and I am happy with it.

Though if I were starting her now, I'd take any of Nimble Plate Boots, Varkyn's Trick Ring, or the Dragonwing Breastplate

Would depend on which first came up.

[thingirl]

I don't donate, and Alanne, like Joddelle, took the Breastplate and still wears it.

[scout1idf]

Yeah, but can you get something better than Dragonwing or Warlord's Helm for those ATs?

It all depends on how many AT's you are hoarding.

[Oldschool]

My first three characters are wearing the Dragonwing, the fourth took the Ring mainly for variety. I didn't realize the worth of the Nimble items, especially the boots, till later. However as has been mentioned you won't touch anything close to the Dragonwing for 24 AT's.

Every now and then I wish Voltan would've took the armor but the early gold is, or was, nice. Although now that's essentially a moot point due to training costs being removed. There are a few quests that give you a choice to buy "high-end" items though so the gold benefit isn't completely moot. Also for the long haul there may eventually be "free" armor that is better than the Dragonwing available.

One thing's for sure the consensus is the Dragonwing, Trick Ring, Nimble gear or Warlord's Helm.

[scout1idf]

Yeah, but can you get something better than Dragonwing or Warlord's Helm for those ATs?It all depends on how many AT's you are hoarding.

I guess the point I'm trying to make is, it's a lot easier to buy something for 400 AT's if you have all the "free" AT's you can get.
I know at some point donating would be a must for so large a purchase (I have donated some).

You might think that you'll never donate (I thought that way) and the next thing you know, you'll be donating.

But, to each his/her own. All I can do is offer my advise and opinion.

[Elrond]

For a while the Diamond-Exalted Longsword was a top choice; but the SSL made that obselete!

[Oldschool]

Scout has an excellent point. Voltan is my last character but just recently got the Ice Shield and his levels overall are a bit behind my other secondaries.

All my characters took the Dragonwing but Voltan who took the Trick ring. Also Voltan missed out on some limited time ATs that the others didn't. The ring helped close the gap - actually overcome (by a handful over the other secondaries) if I'm not mistaken and without doing the math.

With that said his overall MR/SP with the Nightsong chest piece is close to the other secondaries. It's true the DW is an AWESOME buy for the 24 ATs of the ring but the extra ATs while alone can't touch the DW boost adding them to another purchase can help offset the difference somewhat.

More importantly I'm still hoping that whenever the dreadstones chug along or finish that Thymbrak (sp?) will give us one of those 3 items he's sporting including that chest armour. If not hopefully evil Voltan will get a chance to acquire it by less scrupulous means - including ringing of a recently acquired bell. Regardless, if we ever get more "free" torso armour that is "better" than the DW those that took the Trick ring will benefit albeit 'ex post facto' even more.

[Badstench]

I don't have any plans to start a new character and replay "A Haunting in Durnsig", but if I did, I'd be hard pushed to choose a reward item.

When that adventure first appeared, it included the strongest weapon available to non-donating characters; the exalted diamond longsword. We now know that this has been superceded.

The word, "supercede", now pertains to many items. For example, Tzal-Toalth (a staff) was touted at being the best weapon available to players... but only if they were willing to persevere with a grinding regime that could take the skills of 'staves' and 'necromancy' to high levels.

I did this... I was stubbornly adamant that I would own a weapon that could offer me the highest MR score I could attain.

I got there, but it was a long haul.

Many months after Tzal-Toalth was made available, another staff was introduced that was the equal, and players didn't have to grind XP to obtain it.

This angered me at first, because I'd put so much effort into Tzal-Toalth. I felt cheated.

But that's the nature of the game. The exalted diamond longsword was made irrelevant by the shimmering silver longsword, and they were boith gazumped by the Axe of the silver blaze.

I currently wield that axe, but I know there are weapons even stronger.

So... if I knew what I know now as opposed to 'then', I'd probably have chosen the Dragonwing breastplate. But I currently wear Orgarrom's armour, and that is way better.

Dwelling on the past could drive you crazy. Realise that the items you choose are beneficial for the time you need them; you will find better later.

This tirade has been brought to you by Badstench, who is Judge Fury, who is a necromancer extraordinaire

I have Tzal-Toalth to thank for that!

[zmflavius]

I don't have any plans to start a new character and replay "A Haunting in Durnsig", but if I did, I'd be hard pushed to choose a reward item.

When that adventure first appeared, it included the strongest weapon available to non-donating characters; the exalted diamond longsword. We now know that this has been superceded.

The word, "supercede", now pertains to many items. For example, Tzal-Toalth (a staff) was touted at being the best weapon available to players... but only if they were willing to persevere with a grinding regime that could take the skills of 'staves' and 'necromancy' to high levels.

I did this... I was stubbornly adamant that I would own a weapon that could offer me the highest MR score I could attain.

I got there, but it was a long haul.

Many months after Tzal-Toalth was made available, another staff was introduced that was the equal, and players didn't have to grind XP to obtain it.

This angered me at first, because I'd put so much effort into Tzal-Toalth. I felt cheated.

But that's the nature of the game. The exalted diamond longsword was made irrelevant by the shimmering silver longsword, and they were boith gazumped by the Axe of the silver blaze.

I currently wield that axe, but I know there are weapons even stronger.

So... if I knew what I know now as opposed to 'then', I'd probably have chosen the Dragonwing breastplate. But I currently wear Orgarrom's armour, and that is way better.

Dwelling on the past could drive you crazy. Realise that the items you choose are beneficial for the time you need them; you will find better later.

This tirade has been brought to you by Badstench, who is Judge Fury, who is a necromancer extraordinaire

I have Tzal-Toalth to thank for that!

I thought it was spelled "supersede"...

[psychoadept]

I thought it was spelled "supersede"...

From Merriam-Webster online: Supercede has occurred as a spelling variant of supersede since the 17th century, and it is common in current published writing. It continues, however, to be widely regarded as an error.

[thingirl]

Also, it could be his NZ spelling Vs. our American spelling. (Vs. my horriable speling.)

[Oldschool]

Excellent post Badstench - thumbs up.

Take Triela's Staff for example. It has pretty much consigned the Creyn to second banana for undead grinding and considering its one-handedness it's done much the same to the Staff of Bats.

If I could have a "do over" I'd be hard pressed NOT to go with the Nimble Plate Boots on all four characters although I'm content with the D'wing and Trick ring as it is.

[taproot97]

double thumbs up for stinky

[Oldschool]

The recent addition of the Marauder's Wolfskin Vest at 160 ATs gives one a really close comparison to the Dragonwing since it only has 3 more SP not counting the stat bonuses.

[thingirl]

But, you have to spend 160 ATs that you otherwise wouldn't have to if you take the DW.

[Oldschool]

Correct, that was my point. Even so, I'm still content with Voltan's choice of the Trick ring since eventually we may get better "free" torso armour.

With that said if I had it to do over with Voltan and my other characters who took the Dragonwing I'd probably take the Nimble Plate Boots.

[thingirl]

Yeah, Nimble Plate is probably the beast choice.

[majesty]

What about the Nimble Ring? Or you find 4 other rings way better than this?

[zmflavius]

What about the Nimble Ring? Or you find 4 other rings way better than this?

I think it's probably better to get nimble boots, since you take a smaller hit on your MR and SP.

[scout1idf]

What about the Nimble Ring? Or you find 4 other rings way better than this?

I think it's probably better to get nimble boots, since you take a smaller hit on your MR and SP.

Besides, we have some nice rings in the game and you wouldn't want to take up the slots for them.

For example:
Runeskin's Ring (mg)
Ring Of Long Shadows (mg)
Embro's Band (mg)
Band Of Gruljasa (mg)
Vatyr's Keep (cj)
Ring Of Disguise (mg)

(Just some of Scout's)

[thingirl]

Don't forget the Ring of Dark Valour.

[Oldschool]

What about the Nimble Ring? Or you find 4 other rings way better than this?

Yeah the consensus seem to be to go with the boots since the trade off is closer than if you take the rings especially with "free" items.

Question for the mechanic experts and nimble item owners.

How often, if at all, would it be a tactical advantage to switch out a nimble item for one giving better MR/SP? That would be the only thing that would effect a difference in choosing a ring or boots other than having "free" access to better than Nightsong boots in my opinion.

The only time I can think of would be if one could offset their MR enough to lower the "roll needed" fairly significantly to trump the dodge power. Very few instances if any I imagine unless one had access to Tallys's high-end gear.

[Elrond]

If the nimble items give separate dodges, then having a ring slot of nimbleness might be worth it!

[thingirl]

Except, can't you only get ONE reward from Haunting?

[Elrond]

Except, can't you only get ONE reward from Haunting?

Yup! But I thought there was a start up scenario where the reward was a ring of nimbleness. Or was it a ring of healing?

[Oldschool]

Yep you're right it was a ring of.......... ............healing. ;)

EDIT: Thingirl's correct it's not a start up reward, it's one of the unique items on one of the pre gen AG only characters.

[thingirl]

Except, isn't that found on one of the pre-gens (Halehand)?

[Joddelle]

The rings available from the Startup Scenarios are Rings of "Battle Skill" and "Fortitude"

Dodge/deflect damage is rare - some raffle prizes give it, the Nimble items give it, and maybe some of the Tallys limited items had it? Not sure on that last part.

[Hastifer]

Yeah the consensus seem to be to go with the boots since the trade off is closer than if you take the rings especially with "free" items.

Question for the mechanic experts and nimble item owners.

How often, if at all, would it be a tactical advantage to switch out a nimble item for one giving better MR/SP? That would be the only thing that would effect a difference in choosing a ring or boots other than having "free" access to better than Nightsong boots in my opinion.

The only time I can think of would be if one could offset their MR enough to lower the "roll needed" fairly significantly to trump the dodge power. Very few instances if any I imagine unless one had access to Tallys's high-end gear.

Well, the boots aren't much help at a to hit of 18+, except for the fact that they can activate whilst using a power (unlike weapons' item powers).

So... it is kind of subjective.

Basically, they have kind of been an addictive thing for me, in that I wouldn't give them up now even for a solid 10+ points of extra MR. And NO amount of SP could convince me to change out.

The simple fact is that you don't get hit (except vs Oakaruk).

But you also stand a good chance (at high to-hits) of not scoring a hit either.

So it is a real judgment call.

I've had them activate as often as 9 out of a 10 round battle to as little as 1 (ONE!) time in a 30 round battle.

So the Nimbles can be fickle. But they're reliable enough that they've saved Arken's skin more than once. (Of course, there is the fact that maybe it wouldn't have needed saving if he had 10 better MR than he does).

All said, I'm a fan of the Nimble Plate Boots. The item power is just that neat & very rare (getting less so with all these nifty raffles though).

:)

[majesty]

Got Nimble Plate Boots for Woland as well. After several battles I can say that most of the time I'm getting dodge message while rolling more than to-hit (wonder what I dodge then?).
But after dodging 11+ hit while rolling 2 I am in the NPB fan club as well.

[thingirl]

Depending on who you fight, you might be dodging a special an 3+.

[majesty]

hmm i wonder if I can dodge a special attack... I test some and let you know.

[Hastifer]

hmm i wonder if I can dodge a special attack... I test some and let you know.To save you some time -- There's no way to know for sure that the Dodge power works against special attacks, HOWEVER, Arken has been using the Nimble Leather Boots for a long time (and Simeon has been using the Nimble Plate Boots).

With the exception of the recently fixed bug, they've never dodged a normal attack wherein a special attack hit them... (i.e. while dodging, they've never been hit by a special)

SO it is safe to assume (but just this once).