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Elrond

10-20-2009, 10:58 PM

I found the following link about Sryth in the real world. How reliable is that site's info?

Sryth in the real world (http://www.websiteoutlook.com/www.sryth.com)

And here is an interesting link with some Sryth demographics. I wonder how reliable that is too!

Sryth demographics (http://www.quantcast.com/sryth.com)

zmflavius

10-20-2009, 11:14 PM

I don't think the GM would be relying on this as his sole source of income if it's worth was around $8k.

How did they get that info?

Elrond

10-20-2009, 11:34 PM

I don't think the GM would be relying on this as his sole source of income if it's worth was around $8k.

How did they get that info?

I don't know how they got their info. But in any case, that info does not include AG subscription and donation income. It is only an estimate of AD revenue (I think).

Doolipalally

10-21-2009, 08:33 AM

So the second site thinks that 57% of US Sryth users have children. Where on earth are they getting that from??

Young Ned

10-21-2009, 09:12 AM

Voodoo magic. Liberally interspersed with marketing buzzwords. :cool:

multirp

10-21-2009, 11:23 AM

Heh... interesting, but horribly inaccurate.

I did a quick Google for 'website outlook', and came up with a couple of sites that confirmed, at least insofar as they could, that the site was basically worthless. Essentially, from what I can tell from those sites and from scoping out other sites like Google, MSN, Microsoft, Yahoo, and some lesser known ones... is that it basically just multiplies ad revenue based on an arbitrary figure (page hits) to figure out a site 'worth'.

It doesn't take into account volume of sales, donations, registration, any of that into it's figures, which blows the whole thing out of the water. But, a quote I found at one of the sites said it best:
"In the end, your site is worth what someone else is ready to give you for it, and nothing more." - Quoted from here (http://www.webmaster-talk.com/monetization/149273-how-accurate-is-website-outlook.html)

So, if someone was willing to pay 30 grand for Sryth, that's its 'value'. If no one wants to buy it, it's essentially 'worthless', at least from that perspective.

zmflavius

10-21-2009, 12:21 PM

So the second site thinks that 57% of US Sryth users have children. Where on earth are they getting that from??

Oh, crap, that was 4 years ago!

thingirl

10-21-2009, 12:51 PM

Well, Dad has me... (But I, thankfully, don't have any). And I knew it was bogus when it said that the gender distribution was almost equal, leaning towards females.

wetheril

10-21-2009, 01:28 PM

Well, Dad has me... (But I, thankfully, don't have any). And I knew it was bogus when it said that the gender distribution was almost equal, leaning towards females.

I can't bring myself to believe the gender distribution either.

thingirl

10-21-2009, 05:32 PM

Well, if the forum is any indication...

There's you, me, Jodelle, Dooli, Moria, Almethia, and probable a few others. But probably about 90% of the members are guys.

smv1973

10-21-2009, 10:01 PM

Well, if the forum is any indication...

There's you, me, Jodelle, Dooli, Moria, Almethia, and probable a few others. But probably about 90% of the members are guys.

There is also Taleria.

thingirl

10-21-2009, 10:03 PM

Her too. I forget the ones that don't post much. :o (The strange thing is, I was thinking of her earlier...)

Elrond

10-21-2009, 10:23 PM

Her too. I forget the ones that don't post much. :o

Before going back for cover, does the above quote mean that you forget about everyone else in the forum since they don't post much - compared to a certain young lady!

I'm running full-speed for cover with my 20 agility, body, and stamina scores!

wetheril

10-21-2009, 10:25 PM

Before going back for cover, does the above quote mean that you forget about everyone else in the forum since they don't post much - compared to a certain young lady!

I'm running full-speed for cover with my 20 agility, body, and stamina scores!

LOL! You better be running. Thingirl likely has 20 agility, body, and stamina scores AND the advantage of youth. ;)

smv1973

10-21-2009, 10:46 PM

LOL! You better be running. Thingirl likely has 20 agility, body, and stamina scores AND the advantage of youth. ;)

Also she only weighs like 90 pounds soaking wet.

Elrond

10-21-2009, 10:54 PM

LOL! You better be running. Thingirl likely has 20 agility, body, and stamina scores AND the advantage of youth. ;)

But I also have the advantage of running for SURVIVAL!

texlaw1992

10-22-2009, 02:58 AM

For those old enough to have played D&D in the early days, I think you'd agree that fantasy role-playing games were largely a male province. My own gaming group in high school had one woman and that was a first. The fact that about 10% of active forum members here are female is very impressive. The more diversity, the better.

Doolipalally

10-22-2009, 05:45 AM

I'd agree. The reason I never played D&D? Try finding anyone else who's interested in an all-girls school!

thingirl

10-22-2009, 01:12 PM

But I also have the advantage of running for SURVIVAL!

And that you posted that in the middle of the night. ;)

@ Dooli: You went to an all girls school? Nice. I do too... Sort of. I don't have any brothers.

Doolipalally

10-22-2009, 02:02 PM

@ Dooli: You went to an all girls school? Nice.

Not really. In some ways I suppose it was good not to have so many distractions, but girls can be so bitchy!

thingirl

10-22-2009, 02:03 PM

smv1973

10-22-2009, 10:01 PM

I know. I have to say that I can be guilty of being mean at times, but not really. But some of those other girls... And that's at church :eek:

EDIT: And keep in mind that most of my RL "friends" are in Jr. High.

Just wait until you get a few years older and then your attitude will really start to kick in.

thingirl

10-22-2009, 10:04 PM

If you ask my mom... Well, let's just say that it's safe up here where she doesn't have to see me ;). Although, it depends on her mood, as well. Tomorrow's gonna be interesting (she's helping with the middle school retreat, which starts tomorrow evening.).

psychoadept

10-23-2009, 01:10 AM

The more diversity, the better.

Hear, hear. And despite what most of the world thinks, there is more to gender diversity than just "male" and "female", too...

thingirl

10-23-2009, 01:14 AM

"Transgenders" are NOT a different gender. They are the gender they were born as, they just look like the opposite. *Preparers for a big argument and rebuke, after which she must admit wrongness.*

zmflavius

10-23-2009, 01:14 AM

"Transgenders" are NOT a different gender. They are the gender they were born as, they just look like the opposite. *Preparers for a big argument and rebuke, after which she must admit wrongness.*

I'm not arguing. I bet Elrond will though.

texlaw1992

10-23-2009, 03:32 AM

Any sentient life form that doesn't consume humans for food should feel welcome to join the forum.

Elrond

10-23-2009, 03:32 AM

I'm not arguing. I bet Elrond will though.

Sorry to disappoint Zmfalvius! But I've been away for quite a few hours! So, I'm out of step with that discussion which started out talking about Sryth's gender distribution, then discussed Thingirl's attitude, then ended up with transgenders!

In any case, and due to my basic intelligence, I'm aware of only 2 genders (male and female) in pure biological terms in humans. In behavioral terms, the options may vary much more than that!

Doolipalally

10-23-2009, 05:54 AM

Any sentient life form that doesn't consume humans for food should feel welcome to join the forum.

Hear hear, and repped!

(I'm not even going to try and get into the transgender thing).

Young Ned

10-23-2009, 09:36 AM

taproot97

10-23-2009, 09:39 AM

overall i think that the site was c**p

Doolipalally

10-23-2009, 09:46 AM

*plunging boldly into the quagmire*

I believe "gender" is more of a biological term, with basically "male", "female", and (rarely) "hermaphrodite" as the only possible values. "Gender preference", on the other hand, is a different thing entirely but often gets confused with "gender" because of the similarity in names.

"Gender preference" includes women who prefer men, women who prefer women, men who prefer women, men who prefer men, women who like both, and men who like both, which is... six different categories. I seem to remember hearing once that there's a seventh, but if so I have no idea what it is...

Oh bother, here I go... ;)

What you call 'gender preference' I'd call 'sexual preference', since it relates to sexual habits rather than gender identity.

Biological gender is usually more straightforward, but there are cases - which I'm guessing fall into your category of 'hermaphrodite' - where people have some biological characteristics from one gender and some from the other.

I'm no expert, so I wouldn't presume to start on how this happens, how often it happens and how it affects the people concerned, but there's plenty of literature out there.

Young Ned

10-23-2009, 09:53 AM

Very good point, Dooli. Now that I think of it, "sexual preference" does make more sense for that usage, while "gender preference" may refer to which gender one prefers to BE rather than which gender one prefers to have sex with. This is the sort of thing that happens when I pontificate about things without reading up on them first... :rolleyes:

Nice attempt to get this thread on-topic again, taproot, but at this point I think we've really said everything about that site that deserves to be said... ;)

thingirl

10-23-2009, 12:59 PM

Doolipalally

10-23-2009, 02:35 PM

This thread probably out to be locked, before I read anything else that this 14 year old girl wish she hadn't...

And we weren't discussing my attitude, we discussing the attitude of girls in my age group in general.

Well, I didn't mention anything I didn't know when I was 14, so hopefully you're not too shocked...

And I wasn't aware we were discussing either your attitude or that of girls in general. What does that part refer to?

thingirl

10-23-2009, 02:43 PM

No, I'm not, but still, how do we know there's not someone younger than me reading this? Probably not likely, but still...

As for the attitude thing:

"IDK you went to a all-girls school, Dooli."

"Yes... But girls can be so bitchy at times"

To which I replied with a big yes, the Smv said to wait until next year, then I'd REALLY start to get an attitude.

EDIT: Oh yeah, I forgot, we were also talking about how I'd overtake Elrond, who was running for cover (again).

Doolipalally

10-23-2009, 03:06 PM

No, I'm not, but still, how do we know there's not someone younger than me reading this? Probably not likely, but still...

Possibly, but if the worst thing they find on the internet is the unvarnished information that people have different sexual orientations and that gender can be complicated then I think they're doing quite well.

As for the attitude thing:

"IDK you went to a all-girls school, Dooli."

"Yes... But girls can be so bitchy at times"

To which I replied with a big yes, the Smv said to wait until next year, then I'd REALLY start to get an attitude.

EDIT: Oh yeah, I forgot, we were also talking about how I'd overtake Elrond, who was running for cover (again).

Ah, right. Sorry - wasn't keeping up with the ins and outs of the conversation properly.

thingirl

10-23-2009, 03:09 PM

Possibly, but if the worst thing they find on the internet is the unvarnished information that people have different sexual orientations and that gender can be complicated then I think they're doing quite well.

That is so true. And don't worry about it, there's like 4 or 5 different subjects here.

psychoadept

10-23-2009, 06:53 PM

*plunging boldly into the quagmire*

I believe "gender" is more of a biological term, with basically "male", "female", and (rarely) "hermaphrodite" as the only possible values. Well, "transsexual" or "transgender" includes people who are only partway through their transmogrification from one to the other and thus have some characteristics of both, which isn't quite the same as hermaphrodites, so I guess that could be a fourth possibility.

"Gender preference", on the other hand, is a different thing entirely but often gets confused with "gender" because of the similarity in names. "Gender preference" includes women who prefer men, women who prefer women, men who prefer women, men who prefer men, women who like both, and men who like both, which is... six different categories. I seem to remember hearing once that there's a seventh, but if so I have no idea what it is. If you include the preferences of hermaphrodites and transsexuals as well, you end up with a lot more than seven...

Actually, "sex" is limited to male, female, and intersex (from my understanding the word hermaphrodite is generally considered inaccurate and offensive by intersex people, though since I'm not intersex I'm hardly an authority). "Gender" refers to how someone feels about themselves, which has as many POTENTIAL categories as there are people in the world, though the vast majority identify with the gender they were assumed to be based on their physical characteristics at birth.

What you call gender preference is sexual orientation, which as you point out isn't limited to just "straight", "gay" or "bisexual". Since there are infinitely many possible gender identities for both oneself and ones partner(s), many people I know prefer categories like pansexual or just "queer" (careful with the latter, though, because many people in the community still find it offensive). There are also other components to sexual attraction and sexual identity than just the gender of ones partner, but that's not really an appropriate discussion for the forum, I think.

I speak on these things from personal experience. I'm not willing to discuss the details of that experience on the forum, but I'm happy to share with any forum regulars via PM.

Elrond

10-23-2009, 11:04 PM

Dang it! Thingirl makes one of her traditional inaccurate, off the bat, without spell check comments; and the whole forum takes the detour and discusses that!

Don't get me wrong as this is not a complaint; as I've enjoyed reading the post-transgender comments. But it is an observation about Thingirls' "influence" in the forum! Lol ......

thingirl

10-23-2009, 11:08 PM

Thanks for giving me a laugh, Elrond. And it's true.

Elrond

10-23-2009, 11:10 PM

Thanks for giving me a laugh, Elrond. And it's true.

You are most welcome, my dear lady :) . Playing the court jester is fun, occasionally! :D

scout1idf

10-24-2009, 05:46 AM

Doolipalally

10-24-2009, 06:47 AM

So are you saying that we should all ignore her for, oh lets say, how about a week?;)

Ignore who? ;)

scout1idf

10-25-2009, 12:09 AM

Ignore who? ;)

Thingirl.

Doolipalally

10-25-2009, 02:25 PM

So are you saying that we should all ignore her for, oh lets say, how about a week?;)

Ignore who? ;)

Thingirl.

The distant sound is the noise of a joke expiring painfully.

scout1idf

10-25-2009, 04:03 PM

The distant sound is the noise of a joke expiring painfully.

My bad, I was in a hurry and wasn't thinking.......:o

Doolipalally

10-25-2009, 04:12 PM

The distant sound is the noise of a joke expiring painfully.

My bad, I was in a hurry and wasn't thinking.......:o

I wouldn't worry - it's a very old joke and was probably past its prime :)

scout1idf

10-25-2009, 04:17 PM

I wouldn't worry - it's a very old joke and was probably past its prime :)

Actually, I use many variations of that "old" joke at work all the time. That makes it even worse that I missed it........

Elrond

10-25-2009, 10:36 PM

The distant sound is the noise of a joke expiring painfully.

Lol ... Thanks for the laugh, Dooli!

thingirl

10-26-2009, 12:05 AM

I'm laughing.

Elrond

10-26-2009, 03:19 AM

Ignore who? ;)

Sorry for the double post; but I thought I heard someone laughing! Maybe it was me hearing me laugh!

zmflavius

10-26-2009, 03:24 AM

Sorry for the double post; but I thought I heard someone laughing! Maybe it was me hearing me laugh!

sheesh you're actually following through with that?

Elrond

10-26-2009, 03:31 AM

:confused: :confused: :confused: ;)

scout1idf

10-26-2009, 04:40 AM

Was that you laughing Elrond????:D

thingirl

10-26-2009, 03:07 PM

It's easy to ignore someone on the internet when she's not around the comp for a few days.

wetheril

10-26-2009, 03:20 PM

Sorry for the double post; but I thought I heard someone laughing! Maybe it was me hearing me laugh!

You're horrible, Elrond. ;)

Taleria

11-14-2009, 09:54 PM

Actually, "sex" is limited to male, female, and intersex (from my understanding the word hermaphrodite is generally considered inaccurate and offensive by intersex people, though since I'm not intersex I'm hardly an authority). "Gender" refers to how someone feels about themselves, which has as many POTENTIAL categories as there are people in the world, though the vast majority identify with the gender they were assumed to be based on their physical characteristics at birth.

Thank you. Every time someone used "gender" when they meant "sex" was driving my anthropological background up the wall. Good thing I read through the thread to see if someone else had already made the point.

I'm intrigued by your insights on the many forms of gender identification. I confess to knowing practically nothing aside from the conventional, as well as some scattered snippets of cultural acceptance of unconventional roles. Not Western, notably. In any case, have a rep for appeasing my shrill, pedantic muse.