Which browser do you use.

[Oldschool]

Recently there have been a couple separate discussions about browsers. Also there was a browser thread and poll on the old forum that was somewhat lively.

So which browser do you use. Feel free to expound accordingly.

Personally I use Mozilla Firefox almost exclusively. I like the add-ons and options. Plus it seems faster and more secure. And Havocs timer scripts are another big plus for Firefox.

I use IE 8 occasionally and don't have a problem with it nor have I experienced any. I've tinkered around with most of the other listed browsers to some degrees or another and have had the same experience with them - no problems. The truth is that I'm more familiar and therefore more comfortable with Firefox.

What about you?


Notes about the poll.
Since the poll cannot be corrected directly, this is an errata list.



Psychoadept explains (http://www.srythforum.com/showthread.php?p=45332&postcount=73) his vote should now be Opera not Firefox

[wetheril]

Thanks for starting a thread on this discussion, Oldschool. I also use Firefox almost exclusively (currently v 3.5.6). Occassionally, I will also use Safari, as I'm on a MacBook Pro.

[Oldschool]

You're welcome and my Firefox just updated to 3.5.6 also. Also there is a version of Safari for PC.

[zmflavius]

I use firefox.

[psychoadept]

LOL. Quite an intense discussion thus far. I use FF, too.

[racey]

I normally use IE 8 however, for the last week, I have been trying Firefox out (now that I have that annoying clicking sound that I love to hate). I must say that I prefer IE 8 but the timer scripts from Havoc are a very handy feature that might encourage me to continue to use FF. The page clarity is much better (for me) on IE 8 and I also dislike the way I have to click 4 times to use a power with FF (click the power drop down box, click the power I want to use, then click a spot somewhere in that area so that when I click the Use tab it actually uses the power). With IE 8 I click the power drop down box, click the power and then click use (OK 1 less click is kind of petty but it slows me down (racey and all)).

What does this mean? It means I can't vote because I am currently using two browsers.

[Oldschool]

Racey this might help. It took me a little getting used to it but I know use it quite often. It definitely works on FF and if I not mistaken IE as well.

While playing the game the following tips may come in handy.

When adventuring and in combat the following shortcuts can be used.

When using the powers/skills/items drop down menus after one clicks the appropriate menu the corresponding letter on the keyboard can be used to choose the desired selection. If multiple selections occur with the same first letter (e.g. Destruction, Divination or Arcana, Archery) repeated keystrokes will cycle through the choices.

Also while playing if you get an item/reward/etc... that doesn't show try refreshing/reloading the page. Sometimes the page doesn't load properly and the "thing" is added but doesn't show on the screen.

Credit to Havoc and Joddelle respectively via forum osmosis for the above.

[Lightwielder]

Isn't it interesting that everyone who has voted so far voted Mozilla Firefox, including me.

[Louis Cypher]

I started playing Sryth because it's unlike most rpg type games on the net: there is no downloading of anything to play it--even games that say no downloading are cheating by making you download ActiveX controls or download text clients etc. I can't do anything involving downloading stuff because I am at work.

By the same token, I'm stuck with IE at work, because Firefox would require downloading something. So I voted IE, because almost 100% of my playtime is on IE, but I prefer Firefox for most things.

That's one of the things that makes this game so special. It's a very fun, imaginative, "Which-way" style of game that uses so few resources, works perfectly with IE, and at the end of the day I can clear all my internet settings and shut down.

[shadowblack]

I finally had a look at this topic, and something caught my attention:
I also dislike the way I have to click 4 times to use a power with FF (click the power drop down box, click the power I want to use, then click a spot somewhere in that area so that when I click the Use tab it actually uses the power). With IE 8 I click the power drop down box, click the power and then click use (OK 1 less click is kind of petty but it slows me down (racey and all)).
I use Firefox and I have NEVER had to "click a spot somewhere in that area so that when I click the Use tab it actually uses the power". For me it is:
1) Click the skill/power/item drop-down menu
2) Select the skill/power/item I want o use
3) Click the corresponding USE button

Has anyone else had this sort of problem with Firefox? It's definitely the first time I hear about it...

[Oldschool]

Has anyone else had this sort of problem with Firefox? It's definitely the first time I hear about it...

Now that you mention it Shadowblack my experience has been and is the same as yours - three clicks. Not that I doubted you Shadowblack but I just double checked to make sure that's how it works for me especially since I often use the keyboard shortcuts/scroll wheel.

[Young Ned]

I've never had that problem with Firefox either. Racey, you may want to try fiddling with your preference settings (especially on the Content tab). If that doesn't do it, try upgrading your version of Firefox if it's not the latest.

[Badstench]

I use explorer... I've sometimes switched to Firefox after reading the experiences of our forum members, but never found any performance improvement. This may be a peculiarity of my geographical location and the IP server I use.

Anyway, I prefer Explorer, even though I have to delete my internet history every so often.

[smv1973]

I use explorer... I've sometimes switched to Firefox after reading the experiences of our forum members, but never found any performance improvement. This may be a peculiarity of my geographical location and the IP server I use.

Anyway, I prefer Explorer, even though I have to delete my internet history every so often.

Just set it to clear your internet history when you close your browser.

[Oldschool]

As smv says Badstench Internet Explorer 8 has some significant improvements over IE 7 one of which is similar to Firefox's and others in that you can set it to clear your history/etc... on exit. It also has a compatibility view mode which helps with sites that are still formatted for IE 7 (if I understand it correctly).

If you haven't upgraded to IE 8 you may want to consider as it's been out of beta testing for some time now. While I don't use it much the rest of the family does and most of the computers at work only have IE 8 on them and also haven't encoutered any problems as far as I know.

[demojan777]

I use IE8 for most things, simply because I'm more used to it than other browsers and know how to customize it more than I know how to customize FireFox. I use FireFox for very Java-intensive sites because IE8 tends to fail too often. At work there are 2 apps that only work with FireFox, and at home I use FireFox to play one online game called Domain of Heroes that works perfectly in FF and horribly in IE.

I am rather interested in the timer add-on, but since I've been playing Sryth in IE for years now I am inclined to continue with IE, but one day when I feel adventurous or learn more about FF I may switch, use FF for online games and IE just for normal browsing and email.

Since this is Sryth forum and I presently play Sryth in IE8 I picked that one.

If you're using Netscape, let me know what color the sky is in your world. :p

[racey]

I finally had a look at this topic, and something caught my attention:

I use Firefox and I have NEVER had to "click a spot somewhere in that area so that when I click the Use tab it actually uses the power". For me it is:
1) Click the skill/power/item drop-down menu
2) Select the skill/power/item I want o use
3) Click the corresponding USE button

Has anyone else had this sort of problem with Firefox? It's definitely the first time I hear about it...

Now that you mention it Shadowblack my experience has been and is the same as yours - three clicks. Not that I doubted you Shadowblack but I just double checked to make sure that's how it works for me especially since I often use the keyboard shortcuts/scroll wheel.

I should have clarified that better. It does work the way Shadowblack and Oldschool stated if I do not use the keyboard shortcut (Power first letter). However, I stick to my guns that if you 1) Click the Power drop down menu 2) Select the power I want to use using the corresponding keyboard letter 3) Click Use... I get nothing except for the power drop down menu disappearing then I 4) Click use again and the power activates. I believe I have the latest version of FF (version 3.5.6) installed. With IE8 I have a better screen picture, similar if not actually better page speed and I only have to click the power/skill box, select the power first letter I want to use then click use button to use the power/skill I chose. Overall I will miss the timers with FF but I voted for and will stick with IE.

[Oldschool]

Just thought I'd back Racey up in that if you do use the keyboard shortcuts you have to click twice - once to close the menu and once to use the power. It is the same in combat. Btw Racey as far as I know that's the latest version as it's what I'm running and I just tried to update and was told there are no updates available.

I've gotten so used to it that I just double-click automatically. My personal experience is that Firefox is faster. But if my experience was like Racey's I'd be running IE8 and like him would miss the timers. I can't tell any difference view wise except that with Firefox my add-ons block the ads on the main page and the wiki. Registering on the wiki will disable the adds with IE 8 or any browser.

Hopefully the GM will incorporate Havoc's timers soon so that folks that use other browsers can benefit from them.

[scout1idf]

IE8 is slow for me. I'll take the extra click over having to wait.

It may be my settings that slow it down as much as it does but I'm just going to stick with FireFox for the game......

[Ole1kanobe]

I use Firefox myself, almost exclusively. I had a nasty experience on the wikia site about a week or so ago using IE7, an advertiser that was being used on the site executed a 0 day exploit script for the Adobe Reader (for non geeks, the ad called Adobe Reader to load and ran some code to do nasty things to my computer) and crashed out my laptop completely, nothing but a blue screen when I powered it on. Had to repair the install for Windows.
So now I ALWAYS use Firefox on the wikia site with the Ad Blocker Plus add on enabled to block all of their adds from loading.

[Oldschool]

Ouch..... Good to know Ole1Kanobe that sounds nasty indeed. Goes to show how much I don't know about computers.

Btw love your tagline.

[Young Ned]

I should have clarified that better. It does work the way Shadowblack and Oldschool stated if I do not use the keyboard shortcut (Power first letter). However, I stick to my guns that if you 1) Click the Power drop down menu 2) Select the power I want to use using the corresponding keyboard letter 3) Click Use... I get nothing except for the power drop down menu disappearing then I 4) Click use again and the power activates. I believe I have the latest version of FF (version 3.5.6) installed. With IE8 I have a better screen picture, similar if not actually better page speed and I only have to click the power/skill box, select the power first letter I want to use then click use button to use the power/skill I chose. Overall I will miss the timers with FF but I voted for and will stick with IE.

Aha, now I see what you mean, and I am able to duplicate your findings. Try this instead:

1) Click the Power drop down menu.
2) Select the power you want to use using the corresponding keyboard letter.
3) Press the Tab key to jump the browser's focus from the menu to the Use button.
4) Either click the Use button with your mouse hand, or use the thumb on your mouse hand to press the Enter key on the numeric keypad (only applies if you're using a real keyboard, not a laptop keyboard).

Instead of having an extra click, you have an extra keystroke (for the Tab key)... but since your hand is already on the keyboard to press the key for the power, an extra keystroke is probably faster than an extra click unless you're a really slow typist.

[Oldschool]

Fairly significant update to Mozilla Firefox with version 3.6.

Updated earlier today before going to work and haven't tooled around it to much but besides being faster it's got personas which seems to be like themes.

One thing I did notice and like is you now have the ability to check for and update your plugins as with add-ons directly from the browser. Although some plugins may not be detectable and may require you to do as before.

Here's Mozilla's "word" on the latest update, http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/3.6/whatsnew/

[scout1idf]

Fairly significant update to Mozilla Firefox with version 3.6.
I noticed that the update was available but didn't know if the timer/Grease-monkey was compatible or not.

While looking at add-ons, I've noticed where they sometimes need updated to be compatible with the browser updates.

Since you didn't say anything, I'm assuming that the timer/Grease-monkey are working fine with the latest version. I may update tonight before bed.....

[Oldschool]

Yeah I've ran a few of the grinding scenarios and didn't notice anything different.

[scout1idf]

Currently I have 4 different browsers on my computer for web design testing.

Internet Explorer :(
Mozilla Firefox :)
Google Chrome ;)
Opera ;)

After messing around with all of them, I can say.....

I still don't like Internet Explorer very much.

For the view, Opera and Google Chrome are tied for 1st place.

For Web Development tools Firefox is still the best.

I may install Safari and give it a try soon........

[Needle]

I use IE8 but may switch to Firefox when the having the timers becomes a priority.

With respect to Ole1kanobe's experience:
I use Firefox myself, almost exclusively. I had a nasty experience on the wikia site about a week or so ago using IE7, an advertiser that was being used on the site executed a 0 day exploit script...

I've had two exploit attempts from ads on the wikia site as well, but Microsoft Security Essentials caught them. Afterwards, I registered on the wikia site (should've done that in the first place), which removed the ads. I haven't had a problem since then.

[Lugwy]

I voted Firefox, but I only use it if I'm browsing sites with suspect ads. Otherwise, I'm Chroming around.

[Oldschool]

Just thought I'd post this for comparison purposes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers

[scout1idf]

Just thought I would bump this one back up with the latest update I got last night.

Now using FireFox 3.6.2

I don't really see any difference yet but I love the themes.....




I also use Chrome, Safari and Opera from time to time. (Notice which one is missing from my list);)

[Oldschool]

I use Explorer occasionally. Usually when I need to check something that is saved as a favorite on it on the family computer.

Actually just started occasionally tooling around with Chrome which I like since it has a lot of the same add-ons that Firefox does. I guess it takes some getting used to that status thingamajig in the lower left corner. Is there a way to customize, move it or turn it off?

Very limited experience with Navigator and Opera and haven't used either in a "coon's age" except for very limited use of Opera via surfing on the Wii (default browser). Like what little I've heard of Safari, will have to try it one of these days.

[scout1idf]

.....Actually just started occasionally tooling around with Chrome which I like since it has a lot of the same add-ons that Firefox does. I guess it takes some getting used to that status thingamajig in the lower left corner. Is there a way to customize, move it or turn it off?.....


No way that I found. I actually think it's nice being that small instead of a complete bar running from side to side....

[Oldschool]

You got a point there Scout. Also I just checked Firefox's add-on's after it updated and found a few that I didn't have. Actually a couple of them I thought to look for after finding similar ones on Chrome. Firefox and Chrome seems to "share" a lot of add-ons.

[scout1idf]

Just thought I would bump this one back up with the latest update I got last night.

Now using FireFox 3.6.2 .....


Opera just updated to 10.51 last night. Who's next on the update list??

Running with 5 different browsers on my computer, someone will probably be telling me about an update weekly.....

[Doolipalally]

I've been testing out both Firefox and Google Chrome over the last week or so. What's frustrating is that different browsers seem better for different sites.

Firefox is good with Adblock, so it's a bonus for sites like Facebook where the ads drive me nuts. I don't use it for Sryth, though, as I really dislike the way it refreshes the screen - once I've clicked a link I get a flash of a black rectangle where the link was, and over random other bits of the screen, before the new page loads. It's fast, but has a nasty flickering effect.

Google Chrome I quite like, and it seems much the fastest for MPs. I've found two downsides so far, though. One is that for some reason it can't cope with my Yahoo email, and keeps jumping me back to random previous messages, or refusing to move at all. The other is that it's hypersensitive if the connection is a little dodgy, which it often is round here. Firefox is much the same. IE8 is more patient: if it can't find the connection immediately it keeps trying for a bit before giving up. Google Chrome has a tendency to jump straight to its 'Oops! Page not found' message at the slightest sign of a problem, which is really annoying, especially when I'm playing Sryth and have to keep closing the window, going back to the Sryth site and clicking 'Login and play' again.

I'll keep the trial going for a bit longer, but at the moment I can see myself going back to IE8, because it may not have the nice extras but at least it doesn't have the problems either.

[scout1idf]

I just made a run through Axpath with Safari and the page load speeds were amazing. (sorry FireFox)

The only problem I could see was I double click through Quick Combat to speed along the grinding. The page loaded so fast that I only caught it once or twice for the whole run.

It could be that I'm tired (3:17 am here) but I really think it's the speed of Safari.

Give it a try.....

[Oldschool]

@ Dooli, Chrome actually has the AdBlock add-on/extension as well as the Ad Block Element Hiding Helper. It also has an extension that clears your browser when you close it - much like Firefox and IE8.

@ Scout, I've heard and read that Safari is even faster than Firefox. I'll have to install and try it for myself. Do you know if it has extensions like Chrome/Firefox - particularly Adblock?

Also while I don't use them most browsers have a "boss button" extension. ;)

[scout1idf]

.......@ Scout, I've heard and read that Safari is even faster than Firefox. I'll have to install and try it for myself. Do you know if it has extensions like Chrome/Firefox - particularly Adblock?

Also while I don't use them most browsers have a "boss button" extension. ;)

I couldn't find any add-ons or extensions.

[Lyrehc]

I use Flock as my primary browser, with Opera and Chrome as my secondary choices.

[spencer]

I now use Safari (Thanks, Scout!!) for Sryth (at home, anyway)... I still use Mozilla Firefox for everything else

[scout1idf]

I now use Safari (Thanks, Scout!!) for Sryth (at home, anyway)... I still use Mozilla Firefox for everything else

No problem. I'm glad to help.

[Oldschool]

Don't know how many folks use Firefox but it seems to be popular here. And since we seem to have our share of older folks I thought I'd pass along a nice add on that I just ran across. I periodically check for new add ons every now and again. This one helps with those small fonts and non contrasting typefaces and backgrounds to name a couple things.

I'm still experimenting with this add on but I like it so far as it seems very customizable.

It's called appropriately NoSquint. Here's the link with a description, https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2592

Now to see which one of the young whippersnappers fires the first age related potshot..... ;)

Go ahead I've got a thick skin. Plus as they say if you're gonna dish it out you better be able to take it.

[thingirl]

Now to see which one of the young whippersnappers fires the first age related potshot..... ;)

OK, I can't let that go. But, everything I can think of is too mean, and I don't actually want to - hold on, my phone's ringing and I've got 20 different chats going on.

So, what was I saying, oh yeah, I don't want to be mean if I can avoid it. And you know, typing with one hand and in a bunch of different places and while talking to your friend who can go on for hours is really quit easy. Ahh, but it's much easier when you're sandwiching your phone between your shoulder and your ear. Anyway, so I can't think of anything to say, but I couldn't let it go.

[Oldschool]

Anyone running Mozilla Firefox 3.6 versions may want to update to the latest version 3.6.3 as it fixes a critical security issue. I just looked over the release notes briefly but it appears to only affect 3.6 versions.

Here's the link for the release notes (click the What's New.... link for further), http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/3.6.3/releasenotes/

Everyone probably knows this but just in case some don't click Help then Check for Updates to manually update.

[scout1idf]

Anyone running Mozilla Firefox 3.6 versions may want to update to the latest version 3.6.3 as it fixes a critical security issue. I just looked over the release notes briefly but it appears to only affect 3.6 versions.

Here's the link for the release notes (click the What's New.... link for further), http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/3.6.3/releasenotes/

Everyone probably knows this but just in case some don't click Help then Check for Updates to manually update.

Thanks Oldschool.

Usually I get a pop-up telling me about an update, but I didn't this time.
With a critical security problem, that surprises me.

[Oldschool]

That is strange Scout. Mine's set to update automatically. Incidentally I'm on another computer than the one went I posted that and it's updating as I type.

[scout1idf]

I just checked my settings and they are set to auto down load and install updates, but it doesn't.

It just tells me that they are available and I have to do it myself. But it didn't tell me this time, unless it popped up while I was taking care of my cats.

[Oldschool]

Have been tinkering around with different browsers, particularly Safari, and it appears there are both add ons and plug ins for it. Although the add ons seem limited to the Mac version.

Also and more potentially exciting for non Firefox users is that there appears to be ways to run Greasemonkey scripts. In other words Havoc's Timer Tracking Scripts in Explorer, Chrome, Opera and Safari for Mac. Actually a lot of Firefox add ons are compatible with Chrome particularly AdBlock Plus although I'm not sure about Greasemonkey or anything equivalent.

Just Google "Greasemonkey scripts (see warning below) for <insert the browser name>" and several results should surface. There also appears to be several ad blockers as well. Actually a lot of Firefox add ons are compatible with Chrome particularly AdBlock Plus.

WARNING PLEASE READ:

Just be careful as I run Firefox and haven't installed or even checked on any of them other than some of the Chrome add ons from links within the browser itself. I would run the names of any of the processes, the programs or sites through some reviews or security sites.

Castle Cops used to be good but they aren't around anymore and my regular computer with my bookmarks is down so I can only think of a couple off the top of my head. Those being, Systemlookup.com, Processlibrary.com and Cnet.com.

EDIT: Thought about putting this in the Timer Script thread but since I've not checked on them enough to feel comfortable doing so I put them here with the warning as well.

[Oldschool]

I thought this had been discussed before but after reading the conversation about multiple uses of restoration with just selecting it once in the Correspondence thread I'm not so sure so pardon me if it has indeed been discussed.

There is a way to use powers (and skills/items I would guess) multiple times without having to select the power each time.

By using the Safari browser. Again I'm pretty sure this was discussed but I'm too tired and lazy atm to necrothread for it.

I mostly use Firefox but was tinkering around with Chrome and Safari awhile back. I like both but as Scout has mentioned previously Safari seems a bit faster. I really started using it when my laptop went down and I started using the older and slower computer more.

Safari is faster - at least in my experience. With the older system it's readily apparent - marginally so with the newer computers. Still I'm using it on the newer ones as well mainly because of the multiple power use ability.

If that frame reloads/refreshes you have to select the power again however. As when you go from the stat screen to item screen, return from combat, etc... Plus you lose Havoc's timers - big bummer there. Still the speed increase from the browser alone plus the ability to grind/mp and save time and hassle is a worthy trade off for me.

For me the biggest downside to Safari (the pc version - not the Mac version as it has them) are that there are no add ons or extensions. If add ons were available and comparable to Mozilla's I'd seriously consider switching over totally. But currently I still use Firefox for nearly everything else but Safari is the way to Sryth imo.

EDIT: Also it doesn't have that problem where you get the continue screen and it uses a point of NR without using the power. And there goes my edge in the mps. ;)

[Oldschool]

Surprised the above post didn't generate any replies.

Anyhoo, for Safari users Safari 5 is out.

Supposed to be significantly faster especially in relation to Javascript. Also supposed to be good with HTML5 and extensions are available or coming later this summer. I think the Mac version already has 'em.

Again I use it mainly for playing the game mainly because I'm more familiar with Firefox and I love the FF extensions and customizability which Safari is lacking in both. Although I think this new version offers some more customization. Just loaded it on one machine but probably won't fool around much with the new options since I only play the game on it. That may change depending on the extensions once they are available.

[kanex7]

I accidently voted for Opera. (I've a slow computer)
I meant to vote for IE

I bet I'm the most unique in my browser choice.

I use(d) IE6 to play Sryth. Yes I said it IE6
I'm probably the only one too. I know there's 7 and 8 but simply put...they suck.
It's really fast for Sryth. Faster than Firefox.
It should be noted that I usually(not always) play Sryth on my Windows 98 PC.
Go retro!
But even so, it's actually faster than some more modern computers with FF.
I have another computer with XP and my sister has one with Windows7,
but it beats them both. Especially mine. Well, maybe ties with the Windows 7.
This is pretty much the only game that works well on my 98 PC though since it's text only.
However...
Sryth updated!

****! (my way of cussing without cussing) (If you want to know what word I used Hint: it starts with a "c")
I can't log in anymore!
Count the red boxes in the attachments to see how many times I tried to log in. It goes from bad to worse.

Does anyone know how I could get it to work on IE6 again.
Or did you all leave IE6 long ago and suggest that I do the same?

[Young Ned]

I hardly ever use IE, but even so my machine's on IE 8. Don't know what to suggest technically. Your best bet is to email the GM to let him know about your problem and see what he suggests. I believe it's gamemaster@sryth.com, or is it srythgm@sryth.com? Somebody else here will know which.

[racey]

I hardly ever use IE, but even so my machine's on IE 8. Don't know what to suggest technically. Your best bet is to email the GM to let him know about your problem and see what he suggests. I believe it's gamemaster@sryth.com, or is it srythgm@sryth.com? Somebody else here will know which.

It is gamemaster@sryth.com.

[scout1idf]

I just ran Axepath using Internet Explorer 8, Mozilla Firefox, Safari, Google Chrome and Opera and the winner is......



Mozilla Firefox!!!!!



I hate to say this, but at this moment Internet Explorer 8 came in second for page loading speed. I don't know if it's my connection, it seems to vary wildly day to day, or what it was. (:rolleyes: I still don't like it (IE) :rolleyes:)

[Oldschool]

Scout awhile back you posted that you're still able to repeatedly restore via the drop down. I'm assuming that's with Firefox.

Is that still the case? And if so which browser and which version?

I'm running Mozilla 3.6.6 and it doesn't work and didn't with the previous version as I just updated recently. Also no luck with Safari or IE8.

I was able to via Safari every since I installed it (a few to several months ago). Then when it seemed the game was tweaked to allow everyone I was able to use it until it was "turned off". Then iirc it was reported it was working again and I was able to use it again. It stopped working around the time Ulgror went live - so I'm blaming him. ;)

Is anyone else still able to repeatedly restore or use other powers via the dropdown without reselecting.

And don't know if this may be the cause but I recently got a new laptop running Windows 7 and while I've not been on the other computers to try it recently it wasn't working with XP before I got the new system.

[scout1idf]

I just tested it in all 5 of the browsers that I listed above and it works in all of them.

Versions I have....

Firefox 3.6.6
Internet Explorer 8.0.6001.18928
Google Chrome 5.0.375.99
Safari 4.0.5
Opera 10.60

If you have the same versions, I don't know why it doesn't work for you.:confused:

[Oldschool]

Thanks I'll do some checking on my end but I know I'm running the same Firefox version. Could be some of my add ons in Firefox but I'm not running any "extra" ones in IE8 and Safari for PC doesn't allow them.

Strange to say the least.

[Oldschool]

Just wondering who else uses Firefox and the Adblock add ons? And if you are getting that annoying Catch of the Week Big Fish Games Ad despite the add ons? Not that it's particularly annoying as all ads are to me. Hence the adblocker add ons.

And I just updated to Firefox 3.6.9 so it could be related to that as I'm not sure exactly when the ad starting showing relative to the update.

And I have updated my Adblock Plus subscription. I know I can manually block a specific ad but I'm a bit leery as I'm unfamiliar with the specifics.

[Dariel]

I use firefox, updated about 5 hours ago, I dont use the add-on Ad-blocker, just the normal Block pop-ups thing. Never gotten a warning or an ad pop up or anything.

[Oldschool]

This is a banner ad along and outside of the right side of the page.

http://www.sryth.com/images/bfg_cotw_120.jpg

I tried to manually block it but when I did so it blocked about half the frames on the actual Sryth site so it was easier to un/re install the add ons after running CCleaner.

Interestingly enough I disabled it and logged on on IE and it's the ONLY ad currently showing.

EDIT: Correction - there are a few (three) ads showing directly under the banner above with Adblock off. But that's nowhere near what normally shows. But keep in mind it's been a long while since I've looked at the ads.

[Dariel]

Nope, never seen anything like that. I'm going to try turning Pop-up blocker off and see what happens

EDIT: Just found out I haven't been using the pop-up blocker at all. I dunno what's happening xD

[Oldschool]

Dunno either as I just checked on one of the computers with the previous version of FF and it's there also.

And when I tried to manually add/block it the url contains sryth.com so I'm guessing the GM engineered it as such.

Oh well I usually only stay on the site pages long enough to log in to the game so I can cope.

[Young Ned]

Just saw this. I'm using Firefox with AdBlock, and I'm not seeing that Catch of the Week banner. But then, even when I disable AdBlock completely I don't see that particular banner, just five little ones for various games. Since you posted this a few days ago, perhaps that particular ad has gone away already.

[Oldschool]

It has Young Ned thanks for the reminder as I forgot to mention that.

[thingirl]

I voted for Firefox. And now I realize why IE doesn't do it for me. INTERNET EXPLORER DOES NOT HAVE AN EASILY ACCESSIABLE IN-BROWSER SPELL CHECK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Oldschool]

Firefox users Firefox 3.6.12 is out which fixes a "critical security issue".

Here's the release notes, http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/3.6.12/releasenotes/

[Taleria]

I use Firefox. Thanks for the update notice. I've already upgraded because Thunderbird had an update, too, and usually those come out at the same time. So on a whim, I manually checked FX.

I feel that IE is slow now and the other browsers are either not accessible to a screen reader or are accessible but kind of buggy. I used to use IE but then, FX became accessible and I noticed the speed difference so stuck with it. And the timers are reason enough anyhow. I used to hate it before I had them and would have to check all the time only to find there were still ten more minutes or what have you.

Aha, now I see what you mean, and I am able to duplicate your findings. Try this instead:

1) Click the Power drop down menu.
2) Select the power you want to use using the corresponding keyboard letter.
3) Press the Tab key to jump the browser's focus from the menu to the Use button.
4) Either click the Use button with your mouse hand, or use the thumb on your mouse hand to press the Enter key on the numeric keypad (only applies if you're using a real keyboard, not a laptop keyboard).

I think the regular Enter key works, too. The spacebar may also work when focus is on the "Use" button. This would make it practical for any keyboard.

[Young Ned]

I think the regular Enter key works, too. The spacebar may also work when focus is on the "Use" button. This would make it practical for any keyboard.

Aha, good to know. Thanks!

[Taleria]

Another thing that may be handy - I tend to use this in the item dropdown. If there are many items that start with the same first letter and it's a pain to keep hitting the letter until you get to what you want, I can start actually typing what I want and get the item faster. I don't know if it would work for regular users without screen readers, but it saves a few seconds. The same trick also works for regular lists, like folders and files on your computer if you remember their titles.

[Scarbrow]

I don't know if it would work for regular users without screen readers, but it saves a few seconds. The same trick also works for regular lists, like folders and files on your computer if you remember their titles.

It works for us too, but it depends on the program. Too many poorly written applications reset lists at each keystroke, so if you write "sry" you arrive, not at sryth as you wanted, but at the start of the "y" section.

[Oldschool]

One of the more useful extensions I've found for Firefox and truthfully although I've had it installed for quite some time I've only touched the surface is FastestFox.

And like many Mozilla extensions I think it works on Chrome.

I use it mostly to highlight terms in text which allows me to go Google or Wiki it with a click.

Very customizable as one can define those search engine shortcuts themselves. One can also set hotkeys to open up user defined sites with a single keystroke.

Another function I particularly like is it preloads multiple pages of a site so one can just scroll down or up to view the different pages as with the mousewheel without clicking each page result. No more having to wait for that next page or previous page to load/reload just scroll to it.

And again that's just some of the functions and you can turn off or disable the functions you don't like or use as again it seems very customizable although I've only set up a few of the options and those being default ones.

I'm pretty sure it does transmit usage data and occasionally the pop ups hang up necessitating a page reload.

Here's the link, https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/9825/

And here's the CNET review, [/URL]http://download.cnet.com/FastestFox/3000-11745_4-11128026.html (http://download.cnet.com/FastestFox/3000-11745_4-10966245.html)

and user reviews from CNET, [URL]http://download.cnet.com/FastestFox/3640-11745_4-11128026.html?v=1

[Oldschool]

Another Firefox update - version 3.6.13. Seems this one addresses several security issues.

Here's the release notes,

http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/3.6.13/releasenotes/

Just click what's new then there are some more links you can click for more details.

Also I know we have several members, maybe more, that use AdBlock Plus and it just got an update to 1.3.2.

And if you're like me and use several extensions/plugins you may find the Update Notifier handy,

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2098/

It's real simple but for its simplicity it's pretty customizable. I've got it set to notify me of updates and I can choose when/if to install them. It's also unobtrusive as mine is set as a tiny icon in the upper right of my page that changes colors dependent on settings. That's how I realized Adblock had an update.

It's real easy to use for extensions and fairly easy for plugins. Plugins require a manual check and depending on the plugin the installation is either a click or a saved file then a click or two away.

[psychoadept]

Hey, how does one change a poll reponse? I recently switched to using Opera on my own computer - partly for speed/data usage reasons and partly for screen real estate reasons (especially since I got a new laptop for christmas, which means I went from a 15.1" to a 14" screen with a slightly wider aspect ratio).

[Oldschool]

I think the vote count can be changed but your name will still list under how you originally voted but I'm not 100 percent sure.

Scarbrow's more knowledgeable on polls and recently mentioned noting a "corrected" vote in the opening post on another poll/thread but I can't recall specifics.

My thinking is to correct the numbers and mention your new choice in the original post. But I'll hold off till Scarbrow weighs since I'm not positive.

[Scarbrow]

Oldschool is correct. There is no way to change your name attribution on a public poll. Only the numbers can be changed. This could cause some confusion, so I prefer not to do it.

On a private poll, since names are not displayed, the count change is more than enough. I don't have a good answer, so I leave it to you, Oldschool.

[Oldschool]

After I read Scarbrow's reply I remembered that the 'corrected' vote was from the new When did you start playing Sryth? thread so I followed his example and listed an explanation in the opening post.

Also since I didn't make it clear, only the thread's originator or mods/admins can edit polls.

[scout1idf]

I am no fan of Internet Explorer, but my wife uses it so I'm left to deal with it's problems (not to mention checking my design work).

Over the last month or so, randomly IE would stop working and close. Yesterday, IE wouldn't start up at all. I didn't know it till I got home and my wife told me. (she forgot to tell me in the morning before I went to work)

It seems that there was a new version of Yahoo tool bar that needed down loaded.

I chose not to. I just uninstalled the old tool bar. So far, IE is working fine (for IE).

I've had other IE related problems in the past. When there was a new version of something available, the old one would stop working. I don't like to be forced to update software. Sometimes I like to wait for the bugs to get worked out instead of dealing with their problems.

IE8 is a prime example of being forced. When I went to the MS site just to see what IE8 had to offer vs. IE7, IE7 started not working properly shortly after leaving.

Just needed to vent a little.

Thanks for reading.....

[psychoadept]

IE8 is a prime example of being forced. When I went to the MS site just to see what IE8 had to offer vs. IE7, IE7 started not working properly shortly after leaving.

Just needed to vent a little.

Thanks for reading.....

I feel you, Scout. Just a few days ago I was trying to install some video codecs, and somehow in the process Google Chrome was installed, too. I'm usually pretty good at catching the stupid toolbars and whatnot that companies try to slip in, but I missed this one. And it wasn't a toolbar, it was a WHOLE NEW piece of software. I normally swear by Google software, but that pretty much guaranteed that I'll never use Chrome OR those codecs if I can help it.

[Oldschool]

Firefox update 3.6.14 available

Fixes several security and stability issues.

Release notes, http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/3.6.14/releasenotes/

[Oldschool]

Firefox 3.16.15 available.

Fixes issues with some Java applets not loading with previous version.

Release notes, http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/3.6.15/releasenotes/

[smv1973]

Saw an ad for IE9 today for people like me that still use IE. I have not checked it out yet or downloaded as of yet but I will at some point.

[scout1idf]

I'm planning on waiting a while for IE 9. I want to give them a chance to work the bugs out first.

What I'm waiting for is the new FireFox 4 to be released. (non Beta version)

[smv1973]

I'm planning on waiting a while for IE 9. I want to give them a chance to work the bugs out first.

What I'm waiting for is the new FireFox 4 to be released. (non Beta version)

I am also waiting for IE9 to out for sometime before getting it. I am also planning on upgrading to Windows 7 at some point this spring or in the summer.

[scout1idf]

......I am also planning on upgrading to Windows 7 at some point this spring or in the summer.

I kinda wish I could, but the tax money went to paying off the credit card. Maybe next year....

[Oldschool]

New Firefox update - 3.6.16. Seems it blacklists some invalid certificates. Release notes, http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/3.6.16/releasenotes/

And Firefox 4 is out of beta just on the heels of IE9. While it's out of beta it's referred to as RC or Release Candidate.

http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/new/

Although it just came off beta the reviews are good so I've decided to go ahead and switch - at least on this computer for now.

Although I normally use Firefox I occasionally use IE8 and the rest of the family uses it almost exclusively. I'll probably wait a bit to upgrade to IE9 though.

[Tetracapillactomist]

Firefox 4 works well so far with Windows 7. Same for latest versions of Chrome and Safari. IE 8 sluggish in general, IE 9 untested, but initial reports I've noticed claim FF 4's load times are still faster than IE 9's.

[Oldschool]

Definitely faster and once you set it up it's not much of a change visually from the previous version. Biggest change I've noticed are some of my add ons aren't compatible but most of the new functions with FF4 make them unnecessary/redundant. That and there is no status bar but there is an add on bar that will show your icons/etc.... for your add ons on the bottom so it's basically a status bar. Also the options have been tweaked.

Main and only real difference is that link url/info does not show in it when you hover your cursor. Instead they appear in a tooltip much like Chrome's which takes some getting used to but now as much as I thought.

And actually that's an improvement (for me) over the status bar because mine was so full of add on stuff that url info wouldn't show completely (id numbers for game items for example). Now that's not a problem.

Also for the record I'm running Windows 7 on the main computer but put it on the desktop which runs XP and it seems the same with the exception of some add ons that don't have both versions.

[scout1idf]

As much as I love FireFox, I'm going to stick with version 3.6.16 for now.

I want to give them more time to tweek things a bit.

Also, if I understood the video correctly, you can't open 2 tabs to the same site with FF4.
I do that quite often when on various forums, ie.. posting on one tab while checking facts for my post on another tab.

If that is so, I won't like that feature.

[demojan777]

Saw an ad for IE9 today for people like me that still use IE. I have not checked it out yet or downloaded as of yet but I will at some point.

NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I hope they take a looong time before forcing this down my throat; when IE8 came out I wished I had IE7 (still do).

The only thing constant is change... and having to reset your browser settings so that pictures are visible:mad::mad::mad:

[Oldschool]

Scout I've opened multiple tabs to the same site with it as I do that all the time with the forum, etc.... Btw, I didn't view the vid or the other stuff much, just installed the new version. Also noticed that it allows an option to use hardware acceleration when available and a Sync option that allows you to sync FF info across devices.

Can't argue with your decision to stick with the other version though as giving it some more time is sound advice. I wasn't going to install it on the desktop running XP till I'd had it on this laptop for awhile but after I'd put the latest ver. 3 update on it it asked about installing ver. 4 the next time I used it so I thought why not.

Just wondering as many browsers now have the ability whether it be as an option/add on to use the browser in 3D view how many folks do that.

Me I stick with the oldschool ;) 2D style as it's much easier/more comfortable for me. Eventually everything will probably go with the 3D look but until (and if) it does I'll probably stick with the "older" look.

I can still remember when DOS was king and Windows first came out (ver 1.0 iirc) I hated it and like many folks comfortable and familiar with DOS called it a "crutch" (anyone remember Elftree...? similar opinions). Mouse driven no typing/commands....... ......it won't be around long.

Boy were "we" wrong on that one. :rolleyes:;)

[Tetracapillactomist]

Also, if I understood the video correctly, you can't open 2 tabs to the same site with FF4.
I do that quite often when on various forums, ie.. posting on one tab while checking facts for my post on another tab.

If that is so, I won't like that feature.

Not having used v.3.x.xx of FF, this is not a comparative statement: there isn't a 'duplicate tab' or 'clone tab' as in IE and Chrome, but pasting the address into a "new tab" will allow you to have unlimited tabs open on the same site (so does dragging a "new tab" off, copy-pasting the address into it, and re-attaching it to the row of tabs - and that tab-separation feature finally graces IE for the first time in v.9.)

In any case, I can confirm what OS said, multiple tabs of the same site are 'a go' with FF4.

[scout1idf]

I must have misunderstood.

I'll still wait for a while.

As for IE9..... NOT TILL I HAVE TO!!!

I don't mind IE8 now that I'm use to it, but I wish I still had IE7 some days.(from a developer point of view).

[Oldschool]

Don't know how I missed this till now unless it's cause I've only ran the Mad and my residence upgrades.

Anyhoo the Timer scripts aren't working with FF4. I've already checked and they're still loaded.

I've still to run Voltan through the Mad but after I do I'll check em in more detail and reload em etc.....

Anyone else that's updated to FF4 that had timers..... Are they still there?

[scout1idf]

Don't know how I missed this till now unless it's cause I've only ran the Mad and my residence upgrades.

Anyhoo the Timer scripts aren't working with FF4. I've already checked and they're still loaded.

I've still to run Voltan through the Mad but after I do I'll check em in more detail and reload em etc.....

Anyone else that's updated to FF4 that had timers..... Are they still there?

Are you using version 0.9.1?

According to the download page, it should work with FF4.

[Oldschool]

I've uninstalled and reinstalled both GreaseMonkey and the scripts themselves - no change.

I wish I hadn't swapped it out on the other computer, but the other laptop should have FF3 as I don't use it except very rarely and the rest of the family uses Explorer.

I'm wondering if that top donation box is maybe displaying larger with FF4. That or maybe it's something in the scripts themselves that are tied to FF3?

I'll try to compare them later.

[Oldschool]

Well I just updated to FF 5 because Mozilla's completely abandoning FF4 with no more security patches, etc....

http://www.technewsworld.com/story/72739.html

Lost my new tab homepage and McAfee Siteadvisor add ons but kept my ForecastFox add on.

Going to give it some time and may end up rolling back to ver 3 but I wouldn't be surprised if they stop supporting it as well.

Btw the timers work with FF 5. Well I should say they display as haven't actually ran anything to trip the timers yet. If there are any problems I'll post.

[scout1idf]

.....Going to give it some time and may end up rolling back to ver 3 but I wouldn't be surprised if they stop supporting it as well......

Not long ago, last week I think, I got an update for FF3. I hope they support it for a while.....

[Tetracapillactomist]

Well I just updated to FF 5 because Mozilla's completely abandoning FF4 with no more security patches, etc....

http://www.technewsworld.com/story/72739.html

Lost my new tab homepage and McAfee Siteadvisor add ons but kept my ForecastFox add on.

Going to give it some time and may end up rolling back to ver 3 but I wouldn't be surprised if they stop supporting it as well.

Btw the timers work with FF 5. Well I should say they display as haven't actually ran anything to trip the timers yet. If there are any problems I'll post.

Son of a motherless shaved goat!... I can't ignore it either, as it warned me thrice already, popping up to jab words like "important security update" in my bleedin'eye!... Just annoyed this'll add more things to the workload. delays, and "things to do or fix"-list!... fopping flipping and flopping's getting me hopping... Well, like I said, can't ignore it much longer, or we could be in for even more cr.. mess. I know there are holes, so got no real choice, pinch your nostrils shot and jump praying, chanting a mantra, or something. I guess... Hah, it's all right. :) (Probably. Maybe. :))

[Tetracapillactomist]

...FF was relatively slow, compared to the current crop of browsers... (Mozilla saw fit to announce that they've addressed the issues in a future release.)

Well, fear nought, FF 7 is here to the rescue, and to speed things up! :D

OK, so it's not quite 'here,' but 6 has entered beta stage! :) And 7 is in incubation, and promises more efficient memory management and speedier performance. :)

Yep, pull up your breeches and tighten your belts, it's getting 'fast and furious.'

I think FF 10 will be announced by the end of the month, and by the end of August... oh, I'm guessing this one: FF 26? ;)

[Tetracapillactomist]

Now I haven't used IE in a while, not even as a tertiary browser, but it turns out IE9 is now blazing-fast!

Not kidding, and not taking any reviewer's word on it either, I tested it myself...

Ran into trouble watching Flash-based streaming content using FF5, and the thing simply became unwatchable - not just 'slow,' but a slide show. I was missing scenes, not frames... (Granted: without testing, and with benefit of doubt, taking the reviewers' words on this for now, FF7 is magnitudes faster; but it's at alpha stage - beta at best, at the moment)
Nothing helped - browser cache and cookies clearing, browser restart, connection reset, buffering the video, disabling extensions, user scripts, RAM, buffer overflow checking, connection speed test checked out normal, reboot - and the content being streamed wasn't even HD, as it happens.

So off I went to my repository, installed an up-to-date version of IE9 (checked for updates) - POW! Content buffering in seconds what would normally take FF minutes (and I mean up to five - ten minutes!), and I was watching a smoothly moving image, without a hint of sluggishness!

So I had to see: I decided to run the same content side-by-side using the two browsers, FF5 and IE9. Yep: slide show versus video.
FF: individual images. IE9: smooth-moving video.

I thought of Scout having 'connectivity issues,' and suddenly it occurred to me: of course... a 'misnomer.' Not connectivity: browser issues!
(Not saying it with any sort of absolute certainty, only as a possibility... Probability?...)

Yes, but IE is a pariah, right, a resource-hog? Well, it most definitely did not seem to bog down... And ill-secured, risky to use, correct?

Get this:

Tests Show IE9 Tops in Blocking Web Malware (http://blogs.pcmag.com/securitywatch/2011/07/tests_show_ie9_tops_in_blockin.php)

Yep... Speed and safety... IE9 beats both FF and Google Chrome by a good measure in terms of security, and in terms of speed, it really leaves current versions of Firefox in the dust, and is still noticeably faster than Chrome (itself much faster than FF).
As an example: page refresh happens after a noticeable delay in FF, looks instant in Chrome; but I can easily double-click a 'Quick Combat' option in Chrome before the new page is loaded - in IE9 even I cannot, most of the time! Pages refresh that quickly!

Go figure...

Again I thought of the troubles Scout has been having - and I know of others too (won't mention names or references for the sake of privacy, not because I'm conjuring this up with my level seventy-odd power of C), in terms of malware...

So maybe it's worth reconsidering a few 'paradigms.' :)

[Young Ned]

...FF was relatively slow, compared to the current crop of browsers... (Mozilla saw fit to announce that they've addressed the issues in a future release.)

Well, fear nought, FF 7 is here to the rescue, and to speed things up! :D

OK, so it's not quite 'here,' but 6 has entered beta stage! :) And 7 is in incubation, and promises more efficient memory management and speedier performance. :)

Yep, pull up your breeches and tighten your belts, it's getting 'fast and furious.'

I think FF 10 will be announced by the end of the month, and by the end of August... oh, I'm guessing this one: FF 26? ;)

Yeah, what the heck is going on with Firefox these days? They used to increase their release numbers in really tiny increments, like 3.0 was followed by 3.0.1, 3.0.2, etc. It took them forever to get up to 3.5, and I downloaded 3.6.13 not all THAT long ago, and was starting to think about upgrading to 4.0.

Now, suddenly, 4 is passe and they're up to 5, with 6 on the horizon and 7 coming out soon?? What the heck?? Are they limiting their version numbers to whole numbers now?

[Blackcrowe]

Maybe they're taking a leaf from the GMs book Ned.

Once they reach version 8 they'll follow it with v16, then v32, v64 etc

[thingirl]

LOL Blackcrowe :):):). THat's what it seems like...

Except then why didn't they go from 4 to 8?

[Tetracapillactomist]

LOL Blackcrowe :):):). THat's what it seems like...

Except then why didn't they go from 4 to 8?

They stepped on a snail, slipped and fell - that got them confuzzled. :D

Then someone started banging on the table, yelling "We need more speed! We have to keep up! I want higher numbers, people!" - so they started jumping to higher numbers! :D

At 4, they were still going with the old mentality, slow and steady, reliable...
Now they've caught the speed bug, and are aiming for 180, full throttle, never mind the curb, just hit it, floor it, GO-GO-GO! :)

Next up: Firefox 2011, A Space Odyssey... :)

"HAL, let me log off!"
"I don't think so... I think I'll just freeze... You're stuck. Don't pull the plug: you don't want to do that..."

;)

[Tetracapillactomist]

Out of beta, tested, and ready for download - in fact, considering current speed and security issues, it's "strongly suggested." (Haven't checked on FF 7, but I assume it too has moved up - into beta stage.)

As Scout's woes and mine attest to it (as well as others I won't/can't mention), FF really needs a 'shape-up' update - it's been the slowest and most vulnerable of all my browsers, and the only one successfully exploited so far (repeatedly).

And, as it can hardly be worse than it is (though... well, you never can tell), I'm going ahead with the update even as I type these words.

Will let you know if I died in the process. ;)

(Yes, I'll put in an appearance in the BHC, and will dispense AS&P rewards from the Great Beyond. :))

[Oldschool]

Thanks TC as I just checked it a day or two ago so it'd would've been a while before I checked again.

I've already applied it I just need to restart the browser which I'll do once this session is finished. Btw, here's the release notes,

https://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/6.0/releasenotes/

[Tetracapillactomist]

Again, incompatible as of right now with Java Console, certain security software extensions... the usual.

Adobe Flash should also be updated for FF, if required (and prompted), as Flash itself has been an dreadful pig of late... that's one of the things I can't blame Steve Jobbs disliking and eschewing... though the interim beta Flash did improve stability to a point where I stopped having, and hearing about, crashes...

Well, among release versions some will always be duds... :)

Good luck with this one, OS. (And good luck to me as well, I suppose - to all... :))

[edit] Oh, almost forgot the update: I did not die... :) (Yet... :D)

[Oldschool]

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot Firefox :rolleyes: slipping downhill a bit is one thing, but deciding to run downhill and then jump in a friggin rolling barrel is something else altogether.

I've not noticed a big slowdown with the previous versions (not sure about this one) but this incompatibility crap is driving me nuts especially since it's one of the main reasons I like[d] (bordering real close on the bracketed past tense Mozilla) Firefox.

Yep I'm about to roll back to 3.8.3 or whatever ver 3 is the latest or go to Chrome/Explorer as I noticed the incompatible add ons including my new tab homepage and the previous ones that are still incompatible.

Gonna check to see if a few compatible alternate add ons exist and take a deep breath or two or gross and a half ;) and decide a bit later.

I've still got FF 3.something on the laptop I seldom use I may check it out. J

Just wondering TC (or others that are knowledgeable) as you seem "up" on these things. Would rolling back to the latest version 3 be "safe" or advisable. I know it wasn't too long ago I updated that laptop and went ahead and updated it to the lastest version 3 which I think was 3.8.3 but I don't know if that was old or they're still supporting version 3.

[Tetracapillactomist]

From Mozilla page last modified [today?]:

Firefox 3.6.x will be maintained with security and stability updates for a short amount of time. All users are strongly encouraged to upgrade to the latest version of Firefox.

Download Firefox 3.6 (http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/all-older.html)




Firefox Help (Support page) (http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/home)



Important:

Check Your Plugins (https://www.mozilla.com/en-US/plugincheck/)

[Tetracapillactomist]

Some more or less relevant notes:
June 23, 2011:
http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.planning/browse_thread/thread/2b42f29c21378451 (http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.planning/browse_thread/thread/2b42f29c21378451)

http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.planning/browse_thread/thread/6b5ccfd4741b7176 (http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.planning/browse_thread/thread/6b5ccfd4741b7176)

http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.planning/browse_thread/thread/14fd31d260b63fbf (http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.planning/browse_thread/thread/14fd31d260b63fbf)

June 25, 2011:

Firefox vision statement (http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.planning/browse_thread/thread/3f6f35a0d9447c23)

June 26...
Is it good that we have a major version of Firefox every 6 weeks? (http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.planning/browse_thread/thread/1fb52e4c973d5f7d)

[Oldschool]

Thanks TC all's relatively well now as I found some alternative add ons for some of the incompatible ones and while I haven't done a lot yet with this version it doesn't seem to lag.

If I do go with something else it'll be Chrome as I like it (and in light of the above I won't rollback to ver. 3). Also most (maybe all as it's been awhile since I've checked 'em) of the FF add ons I use are compatible including Greasemonkey and Adblocker.

EDIT: Thanks for the other info in your second post as it was a ninja. :)

[Tetracapillactomist]

I've not noticed a big slowdown with the previous versions (not sure about this one) but this incompatibility crap is driving me nuts especially since it's one of the main reasons I like[d] (bordering real close on the bracketed past tense Mozilla) Firefox.

...course, the add-ons are the responsibility of their respective developers, and the task of supporting, updating those add-ons is theirs...

But see the top entry on the June 26 "Is it good that we have a major version of Firefox every 6 weeks?" discussion in the post above for the main issue: those developers can't or won't keep up with that kind of release cycle...

[edit] And now *you* ninja'd *me* :)[/I]

[scout1idf]

My mind is currently not online so please excuse the fact that I'm not getting what you are saying......

I'm running FF 3.6.18 currently. The avaliable update that I see is for FF 3.6.20

Are you saying that 3.6.20 isn't worth updating to or are you seeing an update for something else???

Please answer in small words and type slowly. Thank you.....

[Tetracapillactomist]

All I know is as follows:

1) v.3.6.20 seems to be the latest one of the 3.6.x line

2) Mozilla warns Firefox 3.6.x will be maintained with security and stability updates for a short amount of time.

3) they are pushing user to update to the latest version, which is now v.6.0

4) their version release cycle is currently 6 weeks - they plan to release new versions every 6 weeks

5) developers of add-ons don't seem able or willing to follow that update cycle, so plug-ins, extensions may be lagging, and no longer compatible with these new versions of the Firefox browser (although OS says he's got no significant incompatibility issues - is that still the case, OS?)

[scout1idf]

So you are saying updating to version 3.6.20 is ok and won't be a problem with add-ons?

I don't know if I'll bother at the moment with a pending reformat, but down loading FF again will probably give me that version....

[Tetracapillactomist]

I'd say so, Scout: 3.6.20 is still supported, as Mozilla claims, and if they plan to release v.7.0 in six weeks' time, you might as well stick with the 3.6.x line as long as it's supported, if you like it.

The original versions of all your add-ons/plug-ins/extensions should work, as the build version is the same, Mozilla's 'x' numbers in 3.6.xx may only refer to security updates (or as in Malwarebytes' case, minor internal development changes regarding auto-update mechanics, functionality and such), I don't recall.

So you can leave it till after the reformat, then your choices are two:

- v.3.6.20

or

- v.6.0 (right now).

[Oldschool]

Let's get the OCD/Paranoid DEJINX outta the way first...... :rolleyes:

Yep many of the add ons I use are compatible and there are several more that I have disabled most of the time (until I need them) but from the Add-ons page many of them seem to also be compatible as well as a few I have disabled say they're not compatible but the others don't. And for most of the imcompatible ones I've found suitable substitutes.

When it first updated a bunch said they weren't and coupled with all those java consoles I was getting fired up. For some reason even after the new version fired up when it searched for compatible updates or whatever it's called most of them still came up nixed. After a bit I manually searched for updates (don't know why, just glad I did) and many of them got updated with compatible versions.

One biggie for me was/is the New Tab Homepage as I multi task/tab voraciously frequently and often. It's currently incompatible and was with the last version at first then they fixed it. However I've found an alternative that seems to work - NewTabUrl which just happens to have updated this session so I just need to restart my browser to finish the update.

The other one that I miss somewhat is McAfee SiteAdvisor which hasn't been working since the first change to FF 4. It says there are stability/security issues but I use the Web of Trust add on which is similar - still I like the McAfee and it's working on IE8 and Chrome. Plus I feel a bit of redundancy with those type add is good in most cases so I'd still like to have it in addition to the WOT.

Main thing is that GreaseMonkey and Adblock Plus and the other Adblock Plus add ons (the Pop Up and Element Hiding Helper "extras") are compatible and seem to be working fine.

All those Java Consoles aren't compatible but I don't know enough about them to tell if that's an issue or not - ignorance is bliss as they say.

Btw thanks for those earlier links TC as Id been wondering if this was a new "vision" for Mozilla or it's in response to other folks activities involving security. It seem the former which may be tied to the latter of course.

Also the one link about incompatible add ons and the like is a valid concern and it's good to see Mozilla acknowledging that fact.

Hopefully some of the issues are due to them stumbling with the learning curve since this rate of major updates is new and I imagine overwhelming to them considering their previous history. Truthfully once I was able to update all those incompatible add ons I calmed down considerably. Still it may be a real problem if they issue major updates every six weeks like you mention. But for now I'm content and with the future updates I'm going to take a deep breath and give 'em the benefit of the doubt and a chance to get ahead of the learning curve.

[Tetracapillactomist]

Ehh... At this rate though, we might be expected to update browsers daily, and operating systems every six weeks... To be honest... oh, not to mention that my AV updates 3, 4, 5 times on some days... so, to be honest, I wouldn't mind a bit a respite, and some 'stop the madness.' :) And that's me talking, so... I can only imagine what others might feel... :)

(Still, I'm not that mad: I wouldn't run four characters up-to-date in Sryth if you flayed me alive!
ONLY KIDDING! Forgive me all! I don't know what I'm saying! :D ;))

[Oldschool]

LOL! But seriously I don't recommend it either especially since it affects your main's play time. Actually I've been thinking about letting them stall - time'll tell.

Although I don't follow it I like some other members approach about keeping the progress of their secondary characters staggered out so if the grinding doldrums get too great one can still run one off stuff.

I still occasionally seriously entertain the thought of a second AG account (been "card in hand logged on close" more than once). Although if I do take the plunge I'll likely keep one slot as a run/delete/run character and keep the others progress staggered out - I think. :rolleyes:

[Tetracapillactomist]

Dear... well, I just won't say more on that... :)

As I just replied to Paladin in the 'New Event' (?) thread, I'd love! to have at least one more well-developed character, but... I can't see it happening.

And it almost hurts thinking of things you may wish for, but that cannot be... for whatever reason.

Let's stick with blaming time (at least for this one thing)...

:)

All that aside, and strictly speaking alts (instead of my multiple layers of confusing thoughts :)) - I admire the drive and determination, the perseverance involved in keeping even two characters going more or less full tilt... more than that, and I'm in awe...

So all kidding and ribbing aside: I'm not making fun of you, or anyone else who can do that - not a hint of that, seriously. The patience alone that's involved... it takes some effort on my part just to fathom that, much less being able to replicate it... No: no derision here, not even a hint of it.

[scout1idf]

I went ahead with v.3.6.20 last night and everything seems to be working fine....

[Tetracapillactomist]

It should - it better. And it's still supported according to them (Mozilla dev team), so in terms of functionality you're fine.

[Raestloz]

I use Opera, and Opera Mini respectively :D

Sryth doesn't pigeonhole Opera and send botched code if it detects Opera, does it? Some websites still do browser sniffing and itirritates me to no end

[thingirl]

I don't use Opera, so I can't say for certain, but I can't imagine the GM doing something like that. And there isn't anything (I don't think) in Sryth that should be an issue with any particular browser.

[Tetracapillactomist]

More browsers into the pot. ;)

Like TG, haven't got round testing Opera, but like she also says, I see no reason for, and would be surprised by intentional sabotaging of the browser.

Why do you ask, Raestloz, have you run into something iffy?

[Oldschool]

I think Scout's tinkered around with Opera but I'm not sure. And if so it might have just been for his website work.

So what say you Scout? :)

[spencer]

I actually prefer Opera Man. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKTcloq8-Io)

[scout1idf]

Sorry for chiming in late, but my ISP was down for a little over 12 hours. In fact all of Ohio that they serve was down according to the message when I called.
My guess, since they don't give you any details, is their server finally crashed.

Everyone I know that uses them has had connection problems over the last couple months and we were all told it was us and not them.

Strange how many people can have the same problem and it's not the provider. :rolleyes:

Anyhow....

Currently, I use Opera for my little used E-Mail account (the one my ISP gave me).

I will use it for testing web page creations, but that's about it. I didn't like it for Sryth because of the auto refresh every few seconds. I'm sure there's a way to disable it but I like FireFox for Sryth so I haven't bothered looking into it.

[Tetracapillactomist]

I actually prefer Opera Man. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKTcloq8-Io)

:D Well, then, I like it when "the fat lady sings." (Is that Netscape?)

[Raestloz]

My college's website specifically blocked Opera, giving me basic HTML editor instead of full Rich Text Editor. Spoofing the browser as Firefox revealed the Rich Text editor in full glory. Pretty annoying

I was just making sure, as I don't want to be left behind, logging in is quite troublesome already! ;)

I've used Opera desktop to play sryth, so far the experience is quite same with Opera Mini's (minus scrolling all over of course!) so I guess it's fine :)

By the way, the auto-refresh stuff can be accessed via right click menu ;)

[scout1idf]

......By the way, the auto-refresh stuff can be accessed via right click menu ;)

Thanks for the info.

Still putting off the reformat so I won't bother making changes at the moment.

[Oldschool]

AARRRGGGGHHHHH!!!!!! :mad:

Just had to troubleshoot the latest "development" with FF 6.

Anyhoo..... If anyone uses the just recently disabled due to incompatibility problems Organize Statusbar add on and has add on icons in their status bar (now called the add on bar) that were moved to the menu bar which crowded it so that your window has no right margin and you can't access the remove/disable/option buttons for the affected add ons I just dealt with the issue so....

Resize your window via dragging it around till you can access the add on buttons and disable the appropriate add ons. Close clean and refire your browser. Your window should be the right size.

Re enable the add ons and restart the browser.

Most (maybe all of them) of the icons should be back on the status or add on bar. If all then your window should be ok. If not then you'll have to manually move the ones that are on the menu bar to the add on bar and you may have to resize the window manually to do this.

One good thing about version 6 is now most of the add ons that were disabled due to compatibility problems have been tweaked and re enabled.

The downside is that with every change I've had to find a few comparable and compatible add ons to replace the incompatible ones. And since it's an ongoing problem I'm keeping all those redundant versions even if I went back to the originals in case I need them again which ain't a big problem either as I can/have disabled them.

The real problem is my friggin add ons page looks like a damn tinker's wagon train outta Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time. ;)

But seriously if anyone encounters the problem and can't cipher it out from the above post here or PM me and I'll try to help.

Btw since I haven't used the Organize Statusbar much since shortly after I added it it's getting removed.

[Tetracapillactomist]

Hmm... (and a smile for that comparison to the tinker's wagon :))

Good to know that, thanks, OS. Though mine is completely customised at this point, which is probably why I haven't seen the default changes, still: good to know. Annoying, when things you're used to, suddenly seem to disappear.

[Tetracapillactomist]

... in case you needed something to wonder about:

"Mozilla Will Keep Firefox Version Numbers ... For Now" (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2391901,00.asp)

[Oldschool]

Which reminds me (well the thread bump actually did)....

Just updated McAfee Siteadvisor which now works with Mozilla 6.0. Had to go to the McAfee site to do so though.

This was "discovered" when I took the plunge and updated the "last" computer to FF 6 as well as making sure they all had the latest browser versions on them. And since I'm normally the only one that uses anything other than IE I also done some add on housekeeping.

Also *DEJINX* now all of my normal (almost always on) add ons have now been updated and are compatible with FF6.

Now it's 'bout time for another FF update. ;)

[Oldschool]

FF 6.0.1 out which seems mainly to address a security issue re: fraudulent site certificates, so FF3 users may want to see if they've got an update pending.

Here's the 6.0.1 release notes, http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/6.0.1/releasenotes/

And knock on wood... this time my add ons all stayed intact. :)

[Tetracapillactomist]

And knock on wood... this time my add ons all stayed intact. :)

Don't worry, FF 7 is just round the bend... ;)

[Raestloz]

Finally got to play Sryth in a full Opera desktop browser. I must say the experience is quite.... different. Especially since cable connection beats EDGE everytime.
And I don't have to scroll down after every page load. Phew!

[Tetracapillactomist]

Don't give up, Raestloz! ;)

[Oldschool]

Firefox 6.0.2 is out.

Release notes, http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/6.0.2/releasenotes/

My -dejinx- add ons stayed intact.

Seems they expanded the protection against fraudulent DigiNotar certificates and dealt with a bug involving gov.uk sites.

[Tetracapillactomist]

Right you are, OS! Already installed it, but head, heart, and time slots so full, I forgot to mention. :)

I've no issues with it, for whatever that statement's worth after one day of use...

[Oldschool]

Firefox 7.0 out of beta.

Well for a change [DEJINX] all of my add ons that were functioning with the previous version (6.0.2? maybe 6.2 - hard to keep up) stayed intact. Java consoles and a few others that I haven't used since they went to FF4 are still incompatible.

This was an Aurora and Beta release and it just came out of Beta today. No release notes that I could find but here's some info re: the beta.

http://blog.mozilla.com/futurereleases/2011/08/18/firefoxbeta7/

http://blog.mozilla.com/futurereleases/2011/08/26/rapidity/

[Tetracapillactomist]

FF 7?!? Uh-oh... another 7?... This might send YoungNed into a frogalicious bog-waltz tailspin, after my 'Win 7,' 7-Zip, ... now FF7?!?... ;)

Thanks for the news, OS - I didn't check, cos I know they'll be pushing it on us soon enough through the update (security) warning messages. :)

[Oldschool]

Actually I got a message about it. My settings are to advise me of updates but not to download them.

And here's the release notes,

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/7.0/releasenotes/

[mindw0rk]

I was a long time Opera fan, but Chrome beats the crap out of it and any other browser Ive tried

[Tetracapillactomist]

Been saying that for a while - IE9 being even speedier (and more secure, according to indie testing, blah-blah... been saying that too :)).

[mindw0rk]

Been saying that for a while - IE9 being even speedier (and more secure, according to indie testing, blah-blah... been saying that too :)).

Switching to IE9 after Chrome is like switching back to 20 years old Ford after Mclaren

[Tetracapillactomist]

A-ha. Clever. Yes, I know nothing. :)

(I tested browser refresh rate, and IE9 came in speedier. In practical use, video buffering is faster, in Sryth I can't get in a double-click, the refresh happens so fast, etc.
But I said nothing about switching: I test and use them side by side, same 'test bed,' along with FF6, which I guess would the Model A?)

(Which Ford? The RS200?... That's what... 26 years old?... No F1, but worth more than a dismissive spit. :))

[mindw0rk]

Dunno, mate, IE9 just feels too bulky after simplicity of Chrome. As for speed, everything is light fast on Chrome and even heavy sites load instantly. So even if IE9 is faster (i havent done any tests), its hardly noticeable

[Tetracapillactomist]

Ah, OK. I use both, mate. (McLaren and Ford, of course. :))

One moment IE9 is a 20-year old Ford, the next moment it might be faster, but hardly noticeably so - all that without any testing.
All right, does that seem like a sound, solid opinion? Why give false or erroneous information, misinformation? :) Things are as they are, no better, no worse.

Wouldn't dump either (nor dump on them, as a matter of fact), as they both serve me well enough.

The difference, if you haven't tested, clearly can not be noticeable, but it is noticeable to me (leaving aside independent tests and the press).

First time I used IE in over a year, so it's not like I'm a fan - in fact I'm no fanboy material, and don't care what silly name is attached to a browser (or most other things), as long as it does what I expect it to do, the way I expect it.

I also use FF for menial, undemanding tasks, and for testing certain things. Safari is fine in some ways, but no longer need it. And Opera... I needn't bother with it.

And all these things might change as new versions come along. If no real information is available, none needs to be provided. *shrug*

Chrome is fine (but it's no more a McLaren than a TVR might be; McLaren?... old Ford? Whatever, mate. :))

All of them might perform differently in different (software and hardware) environments. All have their strengths and weaknesses.

Chrome was largelely modelled after IE in look and performance. :)

And the all influence each other's development - competition forced MS to shape up or ship out, I guess.

As for FF... right now, in my eyes and experience, it stands for iFFy... Useful, utilitarian, with a pleasant interface that I personally prefer, but slow and - a little too often - unreliable. :)

You dissed my opinion out of hand, not I yours. I'm fine with that. :) Again, Chrome is good...

[scout1idf]

From a developers point of view.....

IE8 and older really suck!!!!
IE9 is a bit better but still behind the times in many ways.

If you don't believe me, try writing some web pages with rounded elements(for example), without using images or scripting, in IE8 or older.

I think but, I'm not sure, you can do it in IE9. Kinda got away from it for a while so I'm not positive.....

[Tetracapillactomist]

Oh, never even attempted using IE9 for anything like that, never even crossed my mind - purely media-heavy, entertainment purpose, that sort of thing.

For any tinkering and nosing round code, I kinda switch between Chrome and FF...

But as far as pages loading, video, browser-based gaming, IE9 and Chrome...
(and no use even mentioning IE8, 7, ... They were pigs :)).

Aaanyhoo... :)

[spencer]

Safari works best for me for double-clicking. Chrome and Mozilla are a bit inconsistent with the double clicking and I have never been able to get IE to let me double-click.

Mozilla is my second choice, but for some reason, when I click like a madman on MPS battles, it hangs up sometimes.

[Tetracapillactomist]

Safari works best for me for double-clicking. Chrome and Mozilla are a bit inconsistent with the double clicking and I have never been able to get IE to let me double-click.

Mozilla is my second choice, but for some reason, when I click like a madman on MPS battles, it hangs up sometimes.

First emboldened point: glad to hear some factual confirmation from someone else, Spencer. :)

Precisely my point - IE9 is so fast, the browser reacts so quickly, the page refreshes so instantaneously, that I myself can hardly ever manage to click twice in a row before the screen is reloaded (and I can click fast... I mean pretty fast, much quicker than the average user, and still significantly faster than most twitchy-fast clickers out there, especially if I'm hyper... :)).

Second emboldened point: Mozilla - FF - it hangs sometimes, yes. And sometimes many times. :) Experienced it, so did OS, so did others... FF currently does stand for iFFy, in my mind, but I still like the interface, layout, options and its abilities - I just know I can't use it for certain things. :)

[scout1idf]

I just ran The Bat Cave in IE9, and while the page load is fast, I find the lack of being able to double click annoying.

The time it takes me to locate the next link and click it off set's the faster page load speed.

I do like how the links are spaced farther apart than they are in FireFox.

The Bat Cave is a prime example of needing the links separated. I seem to hit the Flee instead of Quick Combat on occasion and that's not good in there.....

[Tetracapillactomist]

Heh, thanks for reminding me of that, Scout - the "Flee" option shoved right up the "Quick Combat" link's... eh, let's be polite: behind... Been chewing the GM's ear a while back about that, wherever it occurs (the Bat Cave not being the only place)...

No, IE9 is too fast in that respect, even for me, and I can't use it for Sryth - it's just too stressful trying to click twice without the page refreshing, I tense up... :D If not particularly fired up, I'm lucky to get it once out of six tries, and if I am, still can't make it work every single time, no matter how hard I concentrate and try. I think my best average is once out of 2.5 - 3 tries... Not good enough, and it takes more time focussing on each quick double-click, 'spring-loading' my 'digital muscles.' :)

[Oldschool]

Performance test of the most popular browsers latest versions.

Very interesting. And I'm not touting the tests as the "gospel" as I found the results interesting. And a (somewhat limited) search didn't return any other tests of the latest versions.

http://lifehacker.com/performance-tests

[Tetracapillactomist]

Very interesting. I read that Opera removed their 'listening' ... 'feature,' or planned to - I guess they have, and it benefited them...

FF wanted desperately to solve their lagging speed issues - guess they have (I still don't have FF7 - do you already, OS?).

Chrome with its Chromium engine v.14 looks to be the... "new 20-year old Ford," or so it seems, Mindw0rk. :eek: McLaren indeed... :)

(SOB!!! It is slow now, and I was puzzled, tried all sorts of things - I thought it was just me, my software environment, my bad setup! Bugger! I better take a fresh look at Opera too! What did I say some three posts ago: things can change from version to version... Ha! No sh.., Sherlock, no kidding! Yeah, you could call these results a 'change...' :))

Oh, well...

Meanwhile, I stumbled on an older test, just for fun - keep in mind that the first two test graphs and results are skewed though: they were performed using Google V8 - Chrome's own self-optimised Java script test - and Mozilla Kraken - FF's own self-optimised js test bed... only SunSpider is independent in that sense, being the testing tool developed by Sun, developers of Java...

And - at that time at least - IE9 lead the pack in hardware-accelerated, graphics-intensive frames/second tests...

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2389248,00.asp#fbid=cNMG5K4tkZl

"Times are a-changing..." - every day. ;)

(Thanks for the link, OS, much appreciated... at least my 'Chrome v.14 as the new old Ford? WTF?!' - dilemma and puzzle seems solved, and the issue not of my own making... Better luck in v.15, Googlie-mooglie... :))

[Oldschool]

Yes I've switched on the two machines that I use the most - my laptop and the desktop. The laptop runs Win 7 and the desktop is older and runs XP and it seems to be a marked improvement on both. Also I've not noticed the hang ups as with the previous version.

But with that said I've played very little Sryth since installing FF 7, but I've been streaming stuff and playing flash games, etc... etc... etc... And while the article states some add ons are incompatible all of mine that worked with version 6.whatever work with 7.0. The Java consoles still don't and a few others but the others haven't worked since FF 4 and truthfully most of them were redundant ones anyway.

And after reading that article I'm thinking the same thing about Opera.

[Tetracapillactomist]

That's great to hear, thanks!

And yes: I think we really ought to give Opera a chance now. :)

[edit] 'K, can't rep you for that, but will when I can. Love good news these days. GM's was THE BIG good news (donation doubling gone global), but so is this. Too bad about bloated Chrome, but what can be done... wait for v.15...

[Oldschool]

And now version 7.0.1 is out.

From the release notes (which are linked),

Fixed a rare issue where some users could find one or more of their add-ons hidden after a Firefox update (see the blog post (http://blog.mozilla.com/addons/2011/09/28/issue-discovered-with-firefox-add-on-upgrades/))


http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/add-ons-hidden-after-updating-firefox-7

And the 7.0.1 release notes,

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/7.0.1/releasenotes/

[Tetracapillactomist]

It is indeed. (Keep forgetting to mention it every time! Tired, so just accepted update, restarted the browser, then promptly put it out of my mind.
Updated some 12 [?] hours ago... Well, it's no worse, we'll see if it is better.)

[Oldschool]

For Firefox and Chrome users.

Greasemonkey has an update - version 0.9.12.

Has script update checking (automatic is off by default - for now), fixes the editor issue, etc....

Release notes/blog, http://www.greasespot.net/

EDIT: I checked and my Sryth scripts are still working as I just made an in and out on Axepath to confirm they work as well as display.

[Tetracapillactomist]

For Chrome users?! Greasemonkey for Chrome? Did I miss something? I never had it... never even tried it, as j-script handling is built into Chrome without the need for third-party tools. Are you sure? (Thought that Gmonkey was FF-specific.)

[Oldschool]

D'oh :o You're right I don't use Chrome that much and keep forgetting that you just need to install the scripts. No Greasemonkey required.

And while I'm here Win 7 just had a bunch (about 10) of important updates including a cumulative security update for IE 9.

[Tetracapillactomist]

And while I'm here Win 7 just had a bunch (about 10) of important updates including a cumulative security update for IE 9.

Heh - you're right! Had Auto-Update set to restricted access and 'limited freedom' mode because of its habit to shut down the 'puter' if inactive, without waiting for approval (then Windows failing to save W.I.P. properly, as it should, while allowing Auto-Update to affect a forced shut-down) - and was too busy to check, or notice any notification...

Thanks for the heads-up. :)

(Elder Scrolls Swords and VI very important updates - I'm missing everything, and you're here to avert disasters and regretful cussing over missed opportunities. :) Thank you!)

[scout1idf]

I just updated to FF 7.0.1


So far, it doesn't seem much/any faster than FF 3.6 as far as the game goes.

The warning about limited security updates for FF 3.6 finally convinced me to go for it.

All of the add-ons that I use seem to still work so that's a major plus...

[Young Ned]

I just updated to FF 7.0.1


So far, it doesn't seem much/any faster than FF 3.6 as far as the game goes.
You probably managed to skip over the slower releases. :)

All of the add-ons that I use seem to still work so that's a major plus...
Good to know. I have to reinstall Firefox on this computer one of these days because it's gotten screwed up somehow and can't handle certain websites any more, so maybe it's time to bite the bullet and move up to FF 7.

[scout1idf]

Every since I posted that it didn't seem faster, I've been having trouble double clicking quick combat.

I'm not clicking fast enough because it is faster.....

[Young Ned]

Why would you want to double-click the "Quick Combat" button? A single click runs the whole combat.

[Oldschool]

Why would you want to double-click the "Quick Combat" button? A single click runs the whole combat.

http://www.srythforum.com/showthread.php?p=51494

[Young Ned]

http://www.srythforum.com/showthread.php?p=51494

Ahh, right. Now that I've seen it again, I remember reading that thread and thinking that was a useful tip. Obviously I promptly forgot it immediately after reading... :o

[Oldschool]

Firefox 8.0 is out.

All of my currently compatible add ons stayed compatible. One change I noticed is that add ons installed by third party programs (like Java which has been incompatible for some time now) are now disabled by default. However during the update process there's a menu where you select which add ons you want enabled before the update completes including those third party ones. If you select one that's incompatible it stays disabled until a compatible version is found.

Aside from that no change from the current add on menu. You can still access it the same as before once the update completes.

Release notes for 8.0, https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/8.0/releasenotes/

Also it used to be that you would be taken to the release notes immediately after updates, but that hasn't been the case for some time. Easiest way I've found to access the release notes (including for old versions) is to go to Options -> Advanced -> Update -> Update History then select Details for the desired version for its release notes.

[dman2life]

I'm perfectly happy with my Internet Explorer 9.

They'ree all ran by Mozilla anyway.

[scout1idf]

I just upgraded to FF7 so I'll wait for FF10...;)Well, I guess I couldn't wait.

While I was on Amazon's site and got a pop up (from my Fire Fox update) that pretty much demanded that I update to FF8 because of security and stability issues.

So now I've got FF 8 installed.

As Oldschool said, the add-ons that worked with FF7 are still working with FF8 so no big deal I guess....

[Oldschool]

Well I'm not sure if I missed it on the other system or there's a difference as it's running Win7 and this is running XP, but McAfee Siteadvisor is incompatible on this machine. Not a big deal as I also run the Web of Trust add on on all the machines.

[scout1idf]

FF 8 has a few little things about it that I'm not overly fond vs. FF3.6, but one thing I do like is there is a little more vertical screen room which has eliminated the need for scrolling on some of the game pages.

[Tetracapillactomist]

You can customise it completely - just right-click on the toolbar and see what you want/need and where. You can place and space anything anywhere, then switch between normal and full-screen modes.

Tests: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2389248,00.asp#fbid=d2q7shNt4LY

Chrome-optimised Javascript speed test:

Browser |Google V8 (v.6) Score (higher is better)
Google Chrome 12 | 8205
Firefox 5 |3459
Opera 11.50| 3454
Safari 5.1 |2567
Internet Explorer 9 | 2360

Firefox-optimised js speed test:

Browser |Mozilla Kraken 1.1 Score in ms (lower is better)
Google Chrome 12 | 4841
Firefox 5 | 5707
Opera 11.50 | 12353
Internet Explorer 9 |15050
Safari 5 | 17603

Javascript developer Sun Microsystems js speed test:

Browser |SunSpider 0.9.1 Score in ms (lower is better)
Internet Explorer 9 | 245
Google Chrome 12 | 267
Firefox 5 | 282
Opera 11.50 | 279
Safari 5.1 | 303

IE Graphics hardware acceleration test, frames per second (Canvas + Javascript):

Browser |FishIE with 20 fish (FPS - higher is better)| 500 Fish (FPS)
Internet Explorer 9 | 60 |39
Firefox 4 |60 |35
Google Chrome 12| 40| 4
Opera 11.50 |20| 3
Safari 5 |20| 3

IE graphics hardware acceleration test -sSpinning colour wheel display RPM + sound:

Browser | Psychedelic Browsing RPM (higher is better)
Firefox 4 |1885 (no sound)
Internet Explorer 9 |1799 (correct sound)
Google Chrome 12 |131 (correct sound)
Opera 11 |82 (no sound)
Safari 5 |83 (no sound)

Mozilla Hardware Acceleration Stress test:

Browser | Mozilla Hardware Acceleration Stress Test FPS (higher is better)
Firefox 4 |60
Internet Explorer 9 | 60
Google Chrome 12 | 17
Opera 11| 17
Safari 5 |3

(I got nothing better to do?... meh...)

[Oldschool]

Strange......

Earlier I updated Mozilla on the other laptop (which I rarely use) from 7.0.1 to 8.0.1 - yes 8.0.1 not 8.0.

So I just tried it on this machine which is running 8.0 and get the you're running the latest version so I went to my history and the 8.0 release notes and modded the url manually so here is the 8.0.1 release notes,

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/8.0.1/releasenotes/

Doesn't seem to be major changes but it should update automatically.

Anyone have similar issues, suggestions aside from actually installing 8.0.1 instead of updating?

[smv1973]

here is a link talking about Firefox's fall.

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/technology/2011/12/firefoxs-steady-fall-grace/46019/

Google Chrome has moved into second place over taking Firefox.

I have never used Google Chrome but has read lots of good things about it. I have Firefox but almost never use it. Every time I did use Firefox there was always something that I did not like about it.

[Young Ned]

here is a link talking about Firefox's fall.

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/technology/2011/12/firefoxs-steady-fall-grace/46019/

Google Chrome has moved into second place over taking Firefox.

I have never used Google Chrome but has read lots of good things about it. I have Firefox but almost never use it. Every time I did use Firefox there was always something that I did not like about it.
Looks like it's been going down pretty steadily since they started that "rapid development" thing this year, with a new version out every other week or so. :p I wondered if that was really going to catch on; I never liked it myself. I think people prefer a little more stability in their browser.

[scout1idf]

I still like FireFox and will continue to use it....

[Oldschool]

Same here - at least for now, lol.

Actually the updates really bothered me at first particurlarly because of how they affected my add ons. But *DEJINX* lately there hasn't been much of a problem so I can live with the updates, especially as someone else put it (Tetra I'm thinking) they're tied to security concerns.

[Oldschool]

Don't know how I missed this but Adblock just recently (last day or so) updated to version 2.0.1. Seems Adblock 2.0 (and 2.0.1) allows "non-intrusive advertising" and it's on by default. Can be changed via filter preferences (there's a check box that can be toggled). But I've not noticed a difference so I'm leaving it on - for now at least.

Here's "the skinny" re: these type ads, https://adblockplus.org/en/acceptable-ads

[psychoadept]

I'm on Firefox 9 beta and quite happy with it...

[Oldschool]

Appropriate timing PA :) as just in time for Christmas it seems Firefox 9 is out of beta as I just upgraded to it on this computer and will do the others as I use them.

Here's "whats new", http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/9.0/whatsnew/ which is really just a plug but the links below the video are useful including the release notes which I've linked below as well.

And here's the release notes. Seems they've fixed several stability and security issues and significantly improved Javascript performance (go to "What's new") which *A fingers crossed DEJINX* is an overdue and welcome thing.

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/9.0/releasenotes/

[spencer]

I am using the newest version of Safari, now. I think it is 5.2.1, or something like that. Anyway, it allows you to click like an ever-loving maniac in the MPS battles. The only drawback is that you cannot keep track of your SP. You can litterally click like crazy and not see one display until the end of the round. I usually slow down every 15 clicks or so to make sure that I am not about to bite the big one.

[Oldschool]

Just remembered (thanks Scout :)) to update this computer to the latest version of Firefox and it seems version 9.0.1 is out.

Btw got an incompatible notice regarding the startup.service 0.2 which helps start Firefox faster on Windows. That's the only one of mine that was found incompatible.

Here's the release notes (not sure what's different between this version and 9.0).

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/9.0.1/releasenotes/

[scout1idf]

I was having trouble with the forum last night so I double checked updates for FF and it updated with FF 9.0.1.

I had just updated to FF 9 yesterday afternoon.

EDIT:

I'm still having occasional trouble connecting with the forum.

I checked other browsers (IE, Chrome and Opera) and they are having the same problems so I'm guessing it's my provider. Everywhere else I go seems to work normally......

[Oldschool]

Just got an update for Greasemonkey to 0.9.14. Have already installed it (with FF's latest version - 9.0.1) and the scripts still function for anyone wondering.

Here's the link to Greasemonkey's web blog which mentions the changes, etc....

http://www.greasespot.net/

[scout1idf]

FireFox 10 is out....

[Oldschool]

Thanks Scout as until now I'd been on the desktop which for some reason hadn't updated itself so I manually updated. The laptop did so not long after I opened up the browser.

For anyone interested here's the release notes. Note that the forward button isn't actually hidden but sorta transparent until you use the back button.

I got a message about my McAfee ScripScan for Firefox (v14.1.1) not being compatible on both machines. However both machines still show it as compatible and active - after completing the update.

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/10.0/releasenotes/